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AIBU to think public racist / anti immigrant / anti trans posts can justify dismissal?

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 18:39

Read a couple of accounts this week of racist, public supporters of the far-right being sacked for spouting race / immigrant / trans hate on their personal social media accounts.

One was a doctors receptionist.
The other a school learning support assistant.

Both roles where they are likely to work with people in the groups they're publicly trashing online. One was recorded at a far-right rally, speaking about the amount of immigrants she was forced to support in her line of work.

What is your opinion on this?

YABU - People should be able to express their opinion without fear of losing their job. Freedom of speech.

YANBU - Anyone with any kind of public facing role/a role where their employer is likely disapprove of this should not publicly post this way and needs to understand that being sacked is their own fault.

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HolyHannah · 30/07/2026 23:23

KTheGrey · 30/07/2026 23:14

I just find it hard to believe somebody with such poor judgement has a university job.

You'd be surprised - I've known huge numbers of people who should have known better. I even know several who took it to tribunal. I don't know anyone who won either.

OnlyUsername · 30/07/2026 23:18

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 21:54

OP didn't know that bit. I haven't researched these individuals. It's just what's come up on SM / in the news that I've read.

I only know because she came up on my Facebook feed (I assume due to the popularity of the post) and when I saw the thousands of comments I had a little scroll down. There's no "case" to link to as someone asked for as far as I know, unless there has been an article somewhere but as the GP surgery didn't use social media as a reason to get rid then I guess there wouldn't be.

I think she may just be a bit thick.

KTheGrey · 30/07/2026 23:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2026 19:00

TRA Heather Herbert for example, said he hoped Ann Widdecombe died screaming in handcuffs when he found out she had died. Should he be sacked from his job at Aberdeen University?

I just find it hard to believe somebody with such poor judgement has a university job.

HolyHannah · 30/07/2026 23:14

When I was a social worker, we had to abide by social work values and ethics and racist, anti immigrant, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic etc views expressed in a public forum such as social media was grounds for dismissal.

I believe it is still the case. Such views do not belong in caring professions. As a manager it was my job to police this sort of thing.

People were able to hold views, but expressing them in certain ways (e.g. glad of people drowning in the channel, saying muslims should go home, homosexuals should go to prison etc) was not tolerated. Neither was behaviour which demonstrated different treatment of people in those groups.

I would be surprised if school workers have to abode by similar rules.

5128gap · 30/07/2026 23:13

Hoardasurass · 30/07/2026 23:06

Thats not true there's an ongoing employment tribunal where a civil servant posted online under a synonym that wasn't linked to his job or his role and another employee found out and doxed him to his colleagues and employer trying to get him and another female colleague sacked because they set up a gc network with.
Now the civil service for once stood up for their gc staff (under threat of legal action) the trans member of staff is sueing DEFRA for allowing a civil service wide gc network to exist even though there's atleast 3 trans/lgbtq+ networks because to certain sections of the left even stating the law that men shouldn't be using the female single sex spaces is harassment.

Honestly I don't think that you understand quite how damaging the "bring your whole self to work" has been or that its only a chosen set of beliefs that are allowed to be brought into work. Nor how far down the purity spiral we have gone as a country.

Then hopefully the employee will win at tribunal as the employer is on extremely shakey ground.
And please stop making assumptions about me. I could write a book on the damage GI has done in my own profession. I'm GC so you're barking up the wrong tree.

5128gap · 30/07/2026 23:08

Hoardasurass · 30/07/2026 22:40

Well certain parts of the left are well known for targeting people the disagree with usually over womens rights, they and their followers then spam their chosen victims employers with complaints which have resulted in women being illegally fired and winning employment tribunals because of it.
This has been going on for years whilst the left denied that there's cancel culture let alone a problem with it.
So no its not a cheap dig at the left its a fact that this something that the left do more than any other group and we cant deal with it unless we can accurately talk about it and whos doing it

Just because some people on the left have done these things, that's no excuse to use 'the left' interchangeably with TRA and their sympathisers.
If you mean TRA have done these things than say so, because I agree it's important to know who we're talking about.
And when you say 'the left' you include me, many other left wing feminists, the ex miners in their 80s at our local welfare club, and the British communist party. None of whom believe some men are women.
TRA are left wing is not the same as left wing people are TRA. No more than racists are right wing is the same as all right wing people are racists.
Language matters.

Hoardasurass · 30/07/2026 23:06

5128gap · 30/07/2026 20:47

I think organisations do tend to have a set of views that is their public face, even if that's one of being apolitical so as not to alienate any potential customer/client base. And I think its quite usual to expect their staff to uphold that public face when linked to them.
These cases are never about Sandra who works in Tesco saying she wants to stop the boats or Pete who works for Amazon and thinks the communist party have some good ideas.
They are invariably about people in roles where the employer has a strong public stance, for example on inclusivity, and the employee takes a strong opposing one, using an account where they make it clear where they work.
This is entirely avoidable on the employees part. Either by working somewhere they can support the value system, or not saying where they work if they feel compelled to post their strong opposing views.

Thats not true there's an ongoing employment tribunal where a civil servant posted online under a synonym that wasn't linked to his job or his role and another employee found out and doxed him to his colleagues and employer trying to get him and another female colleague sacked because they set up a gc network with.
Now the civil service for once stood up for their gc staff (under threat of legal action) the trans member of staff is sueing DEFRA for allowing a civil service wide gc network to exist even though there's atleast 3 trans/lgbtq+ networks because to certain sections of the left even stating the law that men shouldn't be using the female single sex spaces is harassment.

Honestly I don't think that you understand quite how damaging the "bring your whole self to work" has been or that its only a chosen set of beliefs that are allowed to be brought into work. Nor how far down the purity spiral we have gone as a country.

Hoardasurass · 30/07/2026 22:40

5128gap · 30/07/2026 20:15

As far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as 'just another left wing pile on' in employment law. The complaint will either be upheld or dismissed based on the evidence. If upheld the employer may or may not decide to take disciplinary action.
This is an interesting discussion on personal and employment rights, equally applicable to those of all shades of the political spectrum. Is it too much to ask that we could have it without the need for a cheap pop at 'the left'?

Well certain parts of the left are well known for targeting people the disagree with usually over womens rights, they and their followers then spam their chosen victims employers with complaints which have resulted in women being illegally fired and winning employment tribunals because of it.
This has been going on for years whilst the left denied that there's cancel culture let alone a problem with it.
So no its not a cheap dig at the left its a fact that this something that the left do more than any other group and we cant deal with it unless we can accurately talk about it and whos doing it

5128gap · 30/07/2026 22:37

Hoardasurass · 30/07/2026 22:29

The only values that schools or GP surgeries should have are to teach facts not feelings and to heal not harm for ideological dogma.

If a teacher or Dr doesn't believe in gender ideology they shouldn't have to find a new career just because the NHS and education system have been captured by idealogs.

Unless you work in a religious setting or in political position nobody should be talking about their religion/ideology or politics at work and employers shouldn't be pushing their employees to follow/support their religion/ideology or political beliefs. Any employer who does so is illegally discriminating against their staff and breaching their human rights

Already covered this in my second paragraph.

Hoardasurass · 30/07/2026 22:29

5128gap · 30/07/2026 20:08

I think if you work for an organisation so far removed from your personal beliefs that posting your opinions would get you sacked, you're in the wrong job and should do yourself a favour and find one where you're a better fit.
I accept there have been notable exceptions to this, such as when organisations have had mission creep, and adopted controversial new policies that threaten the pre existing rights of others, and i have great empathy for people who feel silenced in these situations.
But they are the exceptions. Generally speaking, if your employers values are that far from your own, you don't belong there.

The only values that schools or GP surgeries should have are to teach facts not feelings and to heal not harm for ideological dogma.

If a teacher or Dr doesn't believe in gender ideology they shouldn't have to find a new career just because the NHS and education system have been captured by idealogs.

Unless you work in a religious setting or in political position nobody should be talking about their religion/ideology or politics at work and employers shouldn't be pushing their employees to follow/support their religion/ideology or political beliefs. Any employer who does so is illegally discriminating against their staff and breaching their human rights

GrumpyPanda · 30/07/2026 22:11

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 19:44

No. I'm not getting dragged into trans stuff. There is a board for that. If you all want to discuss it on here, go for it. But I am not.

The whole point of MN having a sex and gender board is for that.

That HAS to be khtuzpah. The one and only person responsible for dragging legitimate differences of opinion about the roke of sex into a discussion about racism is you yourself. Now you're throwing a strop because posters see through this rather obvious smear tactic? You're not even being original - "trying to keep communal changing rooms free of dick is outrageous segregation and just like Jim Crow" must be the oldest TRA gotcha in existence.

Naunet · 30/07/2026 22:07

Switchnow · 30/07/2026 21:46

She pleaded guilty to the offence, based on the advice she received.

You usually get less time if you plead guilty.

Gwenhwyfar · 30/07/2026 22:02

pleuo · 30/07/2026 21:09

It’s not illegal to be racist. It’s true though that it’s easy to say that racism or ‘hate speech’ shouldn’t be allowed but ‘hate speech’ is not clearly defined.

Most people would agree that there is basic straightforward racism that is beyond the pale, usually along the lines of all people from a particular group have a particular negative characteristic or deserve negative treatment of some kind (although I agree with pps that these sorts of comments about Israelis and ‘Zionists’ seem to get a free pass) but there’s all sorts of other stuff that is highly contested, like being anti-immigration. It’s not like we have a nice simple list of things everyone agrees are hate speech.

Exactly. It's not cut and dry. That's why we have freedom of expression except for hate speech, clear racism and incitement to violence, etc. That's why it should be dealt with by the police if illegal. If not illegal, it's just an opinion you don't like.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 22:00

EmeraldRoulette · 30/07/2026 20:26

@5128gap "I think if you work for an organisation so far removed from your personal beliefs that posting your opinions would get you sacked, you're in the wrong job and should do yourself a favour and find one where you're a better fit"

but if you work with human beings, and most of us do, then there is a vast array of opinions that could be considered to be connected with them in some way.

So whether I'm an accountant or a teacher or a builder or a warehouse operative, I am going to encounter all sorts of people. It isn't the issue that the organisation necessarily has a particular set of views.

Hopefully we do our jobs professionally and politely and treat everybody well. But we might have opinions that piss them off. Does that mean we're not allowed to express them on personal social media?

Hopefully we do our jobs professionally and politely and treat everybody well. But we might have opinions that piss them off. Does that mean we're not allowed to express them on personal social media?

So it's OK to allow someone who is outspokenly racist to work with vulnerable 7 year olds of an ethnicity that she has publicly stated she hates? 7 year old children. Who may have heard some of the gossip about her opinion. And who she is then in a position of authority over? That is a safeguarding failure.

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EmeraldRoulette · 30/07/2026 21:56

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 21:53

But if you publicly post racist stuff, and then you work with people who are of the ethnicity that you write/publicise, how can you work effectively with them? They would be scared, alienated, untrusting. How can you do your job?

This is going to be about the definition of racist stuff, isn't it? Which is what everybody is telling you.

I would probably want the mayor of Hackney to be sacked right now, but she's been elected!

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 21:54

EmeraldRoulette · 30/07/2026 21:50

Okay
I wouldn't know that though because OP didn't tell me / so thank you for clarifying

OP didn't know that bit. I haven't researched these individuals. It's just what's come up on SM / in the news that I've read.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 21:53

EmeraldRoulette · 30/07/2026 20:03

@Slightyamusedandsilly “The point of the thread really is to see if others think that sacking is appropriate if the publishing of personal opinions which are inconsistent with your professional responsibilities.”

I don’t think so

As long as it doesn’t cross over into incitement to violence but I realise the lawyers will argue over that one

I do think we’ve had a couple of cases that do crossover into incitement to violence but clearly the police and the courts/juries don’t agree with me.

But if you publicly post racist stuff, and then you work with people who are of the ethnicity that you write/publicise, how can you work effectively with them? They would be scared, alienated, untrusting. How can you do your job?

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 21:50

OnlyUsername · 30/07/2026 20:57

In the case of the receptionist, she posted herself at work (as in, a full on photo at her desk saying the phones were quiet) in amongst the rest of her posts about "brown Muslims" and "leftards". Her post about being let go got pushed into hundreds of thousands of Facebook feeds, at which point thousands of those people posted to suggest to her that the bile on her FB page was perhaps a likely reason.

She wasn't even sacked; they just chose not to renew her fixed-term contract.

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Blimey. I didn't realise this! Honestly, where is the common sense?

I get having opinions, but what was she thinking? Or rather, why wasn't she using her common sense?

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EmeraldRoulette · 30/07/2026 21:50

OnlyUsername · 30/07/2026 20:57

In the case of the receptionist, she posted herself at work (as in, a full on photo at her desk saying the phones were quiet) in amongst the rest of her posts about "brown Muslims" and "leftards". Her post about being let go got pushed into hundreds of thousands of Facebook feeds, at which point thousands of those people posted to suggest to her that the bile on her FB page was perhaps a likely reason.

She wasn't even sacked; they just chose not to renew her fixed-term contract.

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Okay
I wouldn't know that though because OP didn't tell me / so thank you for clarifying

Minasama · 30/07/2026 21:47

It depends on the role and the words used.
As a headteacher, I would not express a view on these topics on social. If the learning support assistant felt there were too many immigrants in the country but expressed this in a measured fashion without using derogatory terms I think that’s a valid opinion and ok.

Switchnow · 30/07/2026 21:46

Banoffeemuffin · 30/07/2026 19:23

The fact that Lucy Connolly had to serve a full year for her tweet which she then deleted is actual insanity. They were totally trying to make an example of her

She pleaded guilty to the offence, based on the advice she received.

porridgecake · 30/07/2026 21:42

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 19:44

No. I'm not getting dragged into trans stuff. There is a board for that. If you all want to discuss it on here, go for it. But I am not.

The whole point of MN having a sex and gender board is for that.

Did you slip it into your OP and think we wouldn't notice?

Negroany · 30/07/2026 21:34

It's not a binary issue - every situation will be different. Every employer has a different tolerance. One not in the public eye might not care - no reputation risk. A big public listed co probably cares a lot more. Public sector, more still. And one that lists these sorts of things in their values, more again.

And then it depends what was said, where and how. And whether it can even be linked back to the employer.

Then it will also depend on the employer's policies and contract clauses.

RareGoalsVerge · 30/07/2026 21:30

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 19:22

Start a new thread. Off topic.

It's not off topic at all. You specified racist, anti-immigrant and anti trans hate in your OP but any such rulings would need to equally apply to hateful speech about women, old people, disabled people and all the other triggers that push some people into hatred. You can't pick and choose. The volume of hateful and violent threats that have been published against women who have the temerity to prioritise women's needs over men's is sickening and the hatred examples against feminists catalogued on terfisaslur.com/ are in exactly the same category as the racism/anti immigrant examples you gave. If you want hatred against feminists to stand as fair comment/legitimate grievance then the same standards applies to racists too, you can't hive off a couple of categories of potential hatred and treat them differently than the others.

Goatsarebest · 30/07/2026 21:21

OnlyUsername · 30/07/2026 20:57

In the case of the receptionist, she posted herself at work (as in, a full on photo at her desk saying the phones were quiet) in amongst the rest of her posts about "brown Muslims" and "leftards". Her post about being let go got pushed into hundreds of thousands of Facebook feeds, at which point thousands of those people posted to suggest to her that the bile on her FB page was perhaps a likely reason.

She wasn't even sacked; they just chose not to renew her fixed-term contract.

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She was on a fixed term contract and posted a picture of her self doing fuck all at work, in a health care setting, then winged about being let go between emotive posts demonstrating prejudice to a substantial part of her organisation's client base.
I wonder how difficult the management decision was not to renew that contract.
Now just one item on the Agenda today, renewal of contract for receptionist. That's unanimous then. Where are we going for lunch.

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