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To not pay their air fare

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rookiemere · 30/07/2026 07:28

Please if you recognise me don’t out me.

I am an only DC, after a tough year of hard decline from dementia, both DPs are now in a care home close to me. It costs a lot, but thankfully DPs have amassed a lot of savings so I worked out the other day that they can afford it for around 8 years for both of them - they’re 92 and 87 respectively in poor physical health as well, so this should be enough.

The dilemma is this. DF is from another country originally. He is very generous to his nieces my cousins, because their DF died early under unpleasant circumstances. He has offered to pay their fares, 2 of my cousins have declined but one has made it into an annual trip with DPs covering the air fares, bringing along her DH and staying for too long periods at our house. They aren’t ideal house guests so DH put his foot down and said they couldn’t stay for an extended trip again. Accommodation where we live is expensive.

So anyway last night I got an email saying they were thinking of coming over and when would be convenient and what B&B could I recommend. No mention of air fares, so I thought maybe I should say that as the care fees are so expensive DPs can no longer cover the air fare. TBH I don’t think they should even be asking, but I suspect the trip will be unaffordable for them if they have to pay for somewhere to sleep and flights.

I know DF would get some joy from seeing them, and to be fair to my cousin she is very fond of him and he’s almost like a substitute DF in her mind. Technically DPs could afford the flights, but I need to be responsible with their money. I thought I could maybe suggest a contribution of £1k which would help with the fares, but not fully cover them.

DF thinks I shouldn’t mention it and make them ask if they want it. I think that’s coloured by the fact he finds the DH very difficult to get on with and feels they are grabby - as do I to be fair. He says it’s my money, but it’s not at the minute it’s very much still DPs and I am just enacting their wishes.

So AIBU not to offer the money when it’s been paid for in the past ?

Apologies if I respond periodically as going into work shortly.

OP posts:
Motomum23 · 30/07/2026 11:57

Id personally say you have to be accountable for the money in their accounts for care home fees
As a one off you'd be happy to help cover the cousins airfare but not her DH (after all your father will like to see cousin but not her husband). But it will be the last time you can cover it... id also wait for them to ask you for the money.

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 11:56

Paying for flights for your cousins and her family would be considered as deprivation of assets and therefore would need to be included when eventually the second parent dies.

Deprivation of assets doesn’t apply to IHT. The form for it looks at assets and debts at time of death and significant gifts made from capital in the preceding seven years. You’re muddying the waters with irrelevance.

Scout2016 · 30/07/2026 11:56

What do they do when the come? Treat it like a holiday and sightsee, go on day trips etc, or just spend time with your parents? The latter I would be more inclined to help out. If they pop in to see parents briefly they use you as a base for holidaying then no.

MyMilchick · 30/07/2026 11:55

rookiemere · 30/07/2026 10:26

Based on this thread I am going to offer the current price of the flights which is around £1200.

I agree it’s wrong to take money for DS and refuse something DF funded before.

I do think they are egregious entitled CFs though and won’t offer them any accommodation.

I think you should pay none of it. You need to keep that money for your parents care, if it runs out you will be the one paying the care home bills

Soontobe60 · 30/07/2026 11:52

rookiemere · 30/07/2026 08:32

I have POA DF has been determined not to have capacity and DM can’t really communicate so effectively I have been managing their bank accounts for the past year.

@EthelspagettiI could only let them stay for 2-3 nights max, the DHs behaviour is quite disruptive and DH wouldn’t let them stay for longer than that, in fact I have not mentioned the 2-3 nights as a compromise to him yet.

It’s not true to say I don’t like them @Kipperz. My view is tainted by how they behaved as long term guests , but I have no siblings and my cousins are important to me. I love her, but I am a bit shocked by her behaviour driven mostly by her DH.

In truth I don’t think DPs money will run out and yes I would like to inherit the house so I can pass it or the funds on to DS. That’s what DPs would have wanted as well.

These responses are helpful especially the thought of DF not recognising them for much longer. I think if they ask I should offer something.

As you’re saying they have enough money to pay for a combined 16 years worth of care, which at what could be upwards of £50K annually, they are likely to have £800k in savings. Plus the value of the house which I’m guessing hasn’t been sold as you say you want to inherit it? If those assumptions are correct then you’re in Inheritance Tax territory. Paying for flights for your cousins and her family would be considered as deprivation of assets and therefore would need to be included when eventually the second parent dies.
Honestly, I’d get your DPs a decent iPad and let your cousin FaceTime them instead. They don’t want to really see their aunt and uncle, they just want a free holiday.

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 11:50

PoA means you’re responsible for using money in the way its owner would if they still had capacity. Obviously the owner of the money has set a precedent over many years which you should follow @rookiemere. It’s quite unbelievable that you take money for your son but are contemplating going against what have been your dad’s clear wishes.

Jellycatspyjamas · 30/07/2026 11:43

Holesintheground · 30/07/2026 11:26

The husband has also coped with the impact of OP caring for her parents so he's accepted losses to his own family life from that. Why should OP and her spouse expected to not think of their own immediate family's wellbeing at all, but cheerfully fund trips for more distant relatives?

Because it’s not their money, they have a duty to use their parents money in accordance with their last known wishes which is that DF has funded his family to visit for many years. Whether they agree with his wishes, it’s not their money to preserve for their own benefit/inheritance.

Victorius19 · 30/07/2026 11:42

If it brings your DP's pleasure, then do it. But make sure that you are crystal clear about what is being paid for and what they need for pay for themselves. That way there isn't any confusion when they're here.

mindutopia · 30/07/2026 11:42

I would not mention it. Cheeky buggers though if they do ask for two people with dementia in a care home to pay for their holidays!

BeetrootLentilsGoatsCheese · 30/07/2026 11:36

DwarfPalmetto · 30/07/2026 10:48

That's what I would be doing in your place.

I wouldn't worry too much about what might happen next year. Cross that bridge when you come to it. The situation will be different and undoubtedly worse. That's the sad reality of dementia.

But since they are coming now, wouldn't this be the best time to set expectations now ie that money now has to be prioritised for care and the option of annual visits might need to be self funded in the future. I'd prefer to deal with this head on not let it hang over OP @rookiemere till next year.

leli · 30/07/2026 11:35

dontmalbeconme · 30/07/2026 10:27

But she's quite happy to dip her hand in her parents money to give money to her son...

The gift to her son and the airfare need to be treated the same. Either they both continue to be paid, or neither continue to be paid.

OP deciding to priorise the gift that benefits her/her son over the gift that brings her father joy would be an abuse of the POA.

This is a nasty and absurd reply.

OP’s parents set up a payment to their grandson. OP is continuing this. She is making a contribution to her cousin’s flights.

Sorry but in the real world direct descendants, eg daughter and grandson, take precedence over nieces and their family.

BlackRoseBlue · 30/07/2026 11:31

Also re the money for your son you are potentially storing up IHT problems if they are not from excess income. This article gives an overview as a starting point https://www.thp.co.uk/gifts-out-of-surplus-income/

Whilst it might have been out of excess income and therefore exempt while they were living at home this may not be the case now covering two sets of care home fees

Gifts out of surplus income and Inheritance Tax

If you give gifts out of surplus income, they don't attract Inheritance Tax. Yet few people do this. We look at how this tax break works.

https://www.thp.co.uk/gifts-out-of-surplus-income/

sillypossumsmum · 30/07/2026 11:28

For somebody with dementia your DF seems to have capacity so it’s his decision not yours.

Nelling · 30/07/2026 11:27

TVDinnerandwine · 30/07/2026 09:27

Not true. Patterns of gifting established whilst making decisions on one’s own finances may be continued by the attorney.

I don’t know anyone who has actually been challenged on it, but it’s a direct quote from the gov website about being an poa:
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Spending money on gifts or donations
Unless the LPA states otherwise, you can spend money on:

  • gifts to a donor’s friend, family member or acquaintance on occasions when you would normally give gifts (such as birthdays or anniversaries)
  • donations to a charity that the donor would not object to, for example a charity they’ve donated to before
You must apply to the Court of Protection for any other type of gift or donation, even if the donor has given them before. These include:
  • paying someone’s school or university fees
  • letting someone live in the donor’s property without paying market rent (anything they pay below market rent counts as a gift)
  • interest-free loans
—-

Apply for a one-off decision from the Court of Protection

Apply to the Court of Protection for a one-off decision if you're concerned about someone's personal welfare, property or financial affairs.

https://www.gov.uk/oneoff-decision-personal-welfare/overview

Holesintheground · 30/07/2026 11:26

Morelovelyandtemperate · 30/07/2026 10:49

This isn't entirely altruistic - he's done a lot to ensure your inheritance is the maximum it can be. Would he do the same for a much loved neighbour, for instance?

The husband has also coped with the impact of OP caring for her parents so he's accepted losses to his own family life from that. Why should OP and her spouse expected to not think of their own immediate family's wellbeing at all, but cheerfully fund trips for more distant relatives?

Weeellokthen · 30/07/2026 11:24

If it brings your df some joy then I absolutely would

IronEverything · 30/07/2026 11:23

If you do contribute then I think you need to make it clear that this will be the last time it happens.

Jellycatspyjamas · 30/07/2026 11:21

Redburnett · 30/07/2026 09:36

The situation looks clear to me. Your DF does not have capacity. As POA you must only spend his money to benefit him. Therefore you cannot pay large sums (£!K is a large sum) for relatives to visit from abroad - which benefits them rather than your DF.
Set up Facetime or similar for him to talk to them abroad on one of your visits to the care home.
And sympathies on your situation, and the stress of dealing with it.

That would also then apply to her own DCs allowance - what’s sauce for the goose and all that.

Or she could suck up her annoyance, accept her parents last known wishes and support her dad to see his family.

Yetone · 30/07/2026 11:17

Valeriekat · 30/07/2026 10:40

If you have poa you are not supposed to be giving gifts on their behalf.
Tell them that.

I think that is something that may have changed in the last 10 or so years. I know when I did POA for an aunt, the guidance I received with the POA said was no gifts. When my aunt’s cousin died we did send a donation from my aunt to the charity chosen for the memorial collection but I was prepared to refund this money if it had been questioned. I took the view that my aunt would have wanted to send this.

binkie163 · 30/07/2026 11:17

FoldItIn · 30/07/2026 10:37

I would pay this last time and then no more. Make it clear that after this trip, your DP's funds are for their care. It is a good time to set future expectations @rookiemere
Oh and don't compare what they do for you and yours. You are their child for goodness sake. As fond as he is of the neice, she is a neice. It sounds like you and your family have done a lot for your parents and sacrificed plenty. Do not feel guilty about your DS recieving money, it doesn't compare.

This 👍
My parents tbh loved the thought of visits but it exhausted them, anything more than 5 mins of small talk was too much. My parents especially my dad preferred few mins facetime a week not 30 min visits. The conversation usually went 'hello binkie, lovely to see you, hope you're fine, catch you next week' about 30 seconds. Occasionally it would be an hour of him telling me about the snooker, golf or tennis. The point being he didn't physically need me in the room just the company.
I think just airfare this year is fine, definitely would not facilitate by having them stay. You and the care home can organise facetiming your dad. Seeing someone's face and smile is the joy. I wonder if cousin sends regular gifts and cards or is the interest only once a year to coincide with a holiday.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 30/07/2026 11:13

I think as his loved niece and with a clear precedent then sending a contribution to help with airfare to visit for her would survive legal scrutiny.

She's asked for B&B recommendations. That will turn into quite a cost forcing them to eat out for every lunch and dinner so she may be assuming she will be welcome at yours.
I would send links only to places which are near to the care home and/or suggest an alternative if the care home is close to a train station for example.

LimeGalah · 30/07/2026 11:04

dontmalbeconme · 30/07/2026 10:38

This would be abuse of the POA.

What would? Continuing to fund the visits? Or stopping?

I actually don’t have specific advice because I don’t understand the legal requirements - if it was me I’d be looking for advise from a solicitor or govt agency.

However, I do think OP’s actions are being driven by her personal feelings about her cousin (or the husband) rather than a concern for the legal requirements, or financial factors. Thinking through whether you’d be comfortable with the decision if you had to explain it to your parents I think is a good exercise to get to your motives.

I do have concern if the goal is to protect her inheritance rather than protect her parents financial future. Or just avoid someone they don’t like.

Sugargliderwombat · 30/07/2026 11:00

I think you should cover it but say its the last time you can pay....if they ask.

LuXun · 30/07/2026 10:59

rookiemere · 30/07/2026 10:24

He forgets to wash, dress and toilet. When I visit I always start with Hello Dad just in case he has forgotten who I am. When they were still at home DH and I had to do everything. A consultant has said he hasn’t got capacity so I am unsure why you think he still has it ?
Sorry if this is pointed am genuinely curious.

I think you've made a typo in an earlier post which is confusing a lot of people (including me) in which you say your DF thinks you should not mention it and see if they ask. From later posts, it's clear that was your DH, but that might have been missed.

TerfOnATrain · 30/07/2026 10:58

anotherside · 30/07/2026 10:54

As an occasional reader of this website I’d find these so much easier to read without the DPs DCs DFs and DHs. 🥲

Edited

You need to come on more often then as most of us regulars are fluent in MN now and read acronyms as pure English 😂

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