To be a bit cheesed off by this window display?

Thank you! I 100% agree. There is so much hate on mumsnet. I don’t really care whether or not someone thinks a trans woman is a woman (it’s always seemed a pointless debate to me since it obviously depends how you define woman) and reasonable views can differ about limit cases (eg where a particular prisoner should be housed). But the reality is that in day to day life we’re all (cis or trans and regardless of political/philosophical views) just people trying to get along with our lives.

I have no idea, given I'm not the OP.
But you have defaulted to calling her a liar and to implying she doesn't like men wearing anything even slightly feminine - I doubt that was her point.

And you think it was displayed on a high street?

I think id have just said oh its like how some people believe theres a god/unicorns/earth is flat.

The display is awful it looks like a 6 year old put it together.

So you won't 'deny us a place to piss' but you will make sure it is full of men in dresses.
How kind.

Maybe it’s too obscene to share

Actually I have used these scenarios as teaching moments but probably not in the way you hope. My children have come to me at different times wondering about the cross dressing they see when we’re out and about. They are very astute at working out that there are men dressing up as women and they are intrigued. That’s opened up conversations where I’ve explained the political side of the movement and how it is at odds with women’s rights to access single sex spaces and take part in segregated sports, and be housed in jails away from male predators. They think the whole thing is absolutely insane and now we collectively and inclusively roll our eyes at nonsense like this

No I am a perfectly ordinary 65 year old white woman, long time monogamous marriage to a nice guy, two adult gay daughters. Mumsnet is convinced that since all right thinking people think as they do then everyone who thinks differently must be lying, or a man. But no.

In fact I am a therapist and I work with trauma all the time. My patients and I talk about rape snd rape culture all the time. Here in Trump’s America we are literally soaking in it! That is how I know that women get raped by close family and lovers and boyfriends Far more often than by the bogey man dude in a dress in a public restroom. And my patients know it too.
No one has ever complained to me about restroom s but we certainly have them here.

I have helped women work through their trauma many times but no one has ever reported being raped by a trans woman or a man dressed as a woman in a bathroom.

Im a womsn and have felt fear around (some) men just as much as you. If I walk into a restroom and encounter a drag queen or a transwoman I would happily look to her to defend me against a male rapist. I just don’t think men in drag/transwomen are secretly lusting after women and dressing like women to get over on a credulous popuation. The real rapists of the manosphere like Trump or the Tate brothers certainly don’t bother. Its a rather pointless and arcane strategy to dress as a woman and try to live as a woman but secretly be planning rape.

Unfortunately trans people like same sex couples are more likely to have housing issues not because of mental health issues as someone suggested but because of small minded people who don't believe in live and let live. They have to hide who they are from landlords to get accepted for housing, neighbours make up complaints. Love this window

Based on the state of the clothes on the models I think it must be ironic.

Yes. Given that, do you truly think the shop window was genuinely obscene?

OMG! This made me laugh out loud. Brilliant 😂

If it's obscene, no one should be spreading photos of it around, you plum.

The toilet argument is facetious and has been deliberately seized on by TRAs and Allies because it can be made to seem petty. What most women in this discussion are concerned about is that once you allow an exception you allow all exceptions. So by saying “yeah ok, some males can use the women’s loos” you are also saying it’s Ok for males to be in female prisons, hospital ward, rape crisis services, female sports categories, women’s awards, women’s networking event designed to increase equity in workplaces etc.

If you look at this weeks news, several unions are pissed off and refusing to attend the Labour Women’s conference because trans women aren’t allowed to attend. But what do Trans Women actually have to contribute to the discussions? They were never girls in education so have no lived experience to build on, they have never and will never experience female health problems so can’t contribute to discussions about women’s health, they cannot have experience of being a female sportswoman, or being raised in a culture where as a female they are subjected to forced marriage or FGM…… It is not an inclusive event, it is deliberately exclusive in order to achieve a purpose and that exclusion means that Trans Women (who are and always will be male) are not invited to attend. It’s a reasonable and legal position.

They might be trans men?

Trans people are always claiming to have the worst of everything, to be behind all rights gay people have gotten, etc etc.
That doesn't mean that poster has 'little empathy for other human beings', rather that trans people are well versed in hyperbole and victim mentality.

We don't need to, I just think it's rather interesting that OP apparently didn't bother to take a photo of the worst bit, which leads me to believe the other window is rather less "obscene" than is being claimed.

There’s a cafe in our town that has a big mural in the window which says “There’s no LGB without the T’.

Because why wouldn’t you disparage decades of LGB activism, and the gains that achieved through blood, sweat and tears, to make an inaccurate on-trend point about trans identifying people?

If it wasn’t for the fact I never go there anyway due to a) their rubbish coffee and b) the rubbish service, I’d start boycotting them from now on.

"It doesn't mean anything honey. It's just a charity shop selling clothes."

I wouldn't bat an eyelid TBH.

Why do we need another photo though? We can already see the two photos OP has already posted plus a detailed description

Trans people are often more difficult, for example being at said home demanding that their parents/siblings go along with forced pronouns, borrowing their sister's bra, and making it all about their identity despite granny being ill. If they're being kicked out simply for being trans, that's wrong. If they refuse to behave properly, to take accountability for their behaviour, and/or are a nightmare to live with, that's on them.

Is it an independent shop or a chain?

Yep 1% but rammed down my throat everywhere I look. Disproportionately dominating so many discussions at the expense of issues that impact the 99%.

There is no third sex. There is no third gamete. People develop along a pathway to produce small gametes (sperm, male) or large gametes (ova, female). This is true for all mammals.

Sometimes those pathways are disrupted due to differences of sex development (DSD, formerly known as intersex) but everyone is either male or female. Some of the mutations on these pathways mean someone with male chromosomes might appear to be female, and generally their biology and presentation means they are treated as female. However m this is very distressing to find out and they should have our support, not used to prove an ideology. These differences only affect a tiny percentage of people.

For the vast majority of people we develop male or female, and it is usually blindingly obvious who is male and who is female. For women, being able to detect who is male and potentially a predator, this is life-saving.

Frankly, I don’t care what people wear or call themselves as long as men don’t enter women’s single-sex spaces. I care very much about the truth in biology, so if @KitRange cares to share the peer-reviewed scientific papers that speak the truth of her assertions, we can have a proper discussion.

I think you could have used this as a teaching moment to your child that we accept people how they are and for who they want to be, because it has absolutely no impact on our lives but it means they get to live happy ones.

This blanket statement doesn't work in all cases, does it? Treat everybody the same regardless of ethnicity - yes, of course. Do what you can to make life easier, not harder, for people with disabilities - ditto. Respect others' religious choices - well, this is where it starts to get interesting. Do I have to respect a religion that says non-believers should be stoned or that women should always obey their husbands? Sexuality - people who are same-sex attracted are not hurting anybody else by their sexuality, and the vast majority of the UK population now is happy to let them get on with it. But what about people whose sexuality involves fetishes (almost all men) where they get pleasure from doing things in public that affect others, primarily women, without their consent? What about people whose primary sexual attraction is to children or teenagers? I don't care how happy it makes these people to be able to act on their impulses. It is going to make life much worse for their victims, so they should not be accepted.

Men and boys who say they identify as women/girls and therefore should be allowed into spaces and services set aside for women/girls are going to have an adverse impact on those women and girls. If they take up space in a refuge, if they are participating in group therapy at a rape crisis centre, if they join a breastfeeding group, if they use women's loos or join a women's sports team, there will be women and girls self-excluding or finding that they can no longer get access to this limited resource. Given that women and girls have these resources to keep them safe as well as giving them privacy and dignity when vulnerable, and to give them opportunities they wouldn't have in a mixed service, e.g. winning competitions and setting records in sport, how can you possibly say there is no impact on their lives if males start intruding?