Andy Burnham should put the damn social care tax on landlords and big occupational pensions

That's not an issue for those that never had the money in the first place is it?
I wont be risking DoA... I am free to give my assets away well in advance according to my solicitor.

I don't want to pay for social care as I want the option for euthanasia instead at the point I would need social care.

A lot of people. Retirees are the richest demographic in the UK by miles.

That's not an issue for those that never had the money in the first place is it?
I wont be risking DoA... I am free to give my assets away well in advance according to my solicitor.

But people on low incomes can’t afford to.

It’s a way better off people can reduce their overall tax bill, and have more money in their pockets in the long term.

But people on low incomes can’t afford to.

It’s a way better off people can reduce their overall tax bill, and have more money in their pockets in the long term.

Everyone is entitled to pay into a pension or ISA and get tax relief

But you may not get that choice if you require care for dementia for instance.

And if you do dispose of your assets to your children, (risking DoA) who is going to pay for the care you need?

Higher paid people can get a lot of tax relief on pensions and ISAs…

I worked hard to leave my assets to my children
Which I will find a way to do well in advance.

100%. Someone earning £100,000 already pays enough tax. £31,442.60 to be precise. I reckon they're contributing more than enough.

In fact, someone earning £125,000 pays £46,942.60 in tax.

That poster is really is barking up the wrong tree if she thinks there are any pips left to make squeak out of the mid to high earning bracket.

Neither the person with assets or the person without contributes. Because they are both dead.

All you need to do is have care homes run as non profit making organisations. DD1 lives in a care home, run by charity. They are not allowed to make a profit. The fees charged are the cost of the placement.

Totally agree. I know the owners of a private care home and they are loaded. They charge a fortune in fees and have a lovely home in the Uk plus a lovely holiday home abroad, all on the back of the care homes they own.
Scandalous that a resident has had to sell their own home they worked hard for, instead of leaving it to their dc. Then the owners cream off the sale of the residents home. There should be a cap on fees, it's an absolute disgrace 😡😡
I've been invited to go to the holiday home, but I have turned it down on principal.

The irony is, the more people take responsibility for their health, the longer they live. You can reduce risk of certain care needs by managing weight, maintaining mobility and strength as best you can, but there's not a great deal you can do about cognitive decline, which accounts for up to 80% of people in residential care.

The Irish Fair Deal gets criticized for underfunding and lack of support for home-based care.

Japan and Germany have the Long Term Care Insurance Mandate that everyone over 40 pays. However, housing costs are less and they don't have the tuition fees burden that we do. Most of my contemporaries have primary-aged kids and they are struggling. I can't see that happening here.

Denmark does it through high income and VAT taxes, plus everyone pays for "hotel" expenses, such as basic accomodation and meals.

The Netherlands operates on subsidised basis, with the state paying some of the costs and the caree the rest, based on a sliding income scale. The aim is to keep the system affordable without draining everyone's savings.

The big problem isn't the money (although I'm skeptical that 30 billion will be enough - the NHS was underfunded from day one - and Japan and Germany have had to overhaul their system twice) - it's the infrastructure. All of the counties I mentioned above have home-first mandates, community centres, dementia villages and agressive reablement packages to stop people from being bed-bound in the first place. The cheapest thing you can do is keep people active.

It's going to need a massive culture change across the UK, including faster NHS discharges, more purpose-built places and people taking more responsibility for their health.

Birth rates have been low for years so that didn’t work!

Hate to say this without sounded totally heartless but as a Nurse I agree. I work in the community and visit many residential / nursing homes, I can walk down a corridor and room after room is occupied with bed bound, doubly incontinent, advanced dementia patients with a very poor quality of life. Not a life I would wish for myself or a loved one.

I actually looked after a person last year who had advanced dementia, they had made a living will whilst they had mental capacity not to receive antibiotics or any treatments that may prolong their life. The Doctors that I work with overrode this and treated them, eventually after much intervention from the family treatment was pulled. Why oh why do we do it?

Aren’t people on 100k already paying far more tax than the rest of us and have already lost a number of benefits? Shouldn’t we be encouraging wage growth, so more people are able to earn great salaries?

You are reasonable because why should landlords pay for social care? Also why should people on big occupational pensions to pay more for social care? People tend to have bigger pensions because they’re either contributing a lot of their salary or they worked damn hard to get a good job.

The government needs to take a different approach to this because Scotland get this for free but England pay for it.

i think care homes are raking in something like £300 million a year Profit so the government should be thinking about setting Up council care homes and putting everyone where the government have got to pay for care in these rather than paying massive sums of money to private care homes who are just raking the money in. Most importantly these care homes where people are paying tens of thousands a month are paying those who actually hands in deliver the care absolutely pittances.

Aren’t people on 100k already paying far more tax than the rest of us and have already lost a number of benefits? Shouldn’t we be encouraging wage growth, so more people are able to earn great salaries?