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To ask about language around skin colour at nursery

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gollyimholly · 29/07/2026 09:45

Hello,

Posting here for traffic mostly. Does anyone know how skin tones/colour/race is introduced at nursery age?

We are Asian Indian and I come from a culture where the beauty standard is that more tanned skin is not as beautiful as less tanned. I've been very careful with language and how my 3 year old DD is exposed to it. Eg. My sister grew up thinking she wasn't very pretty because people would so flippantly comment on skin colour etc and she was more tanned than what the average idea of pretty was.

Anyway, DD this morning said a teacher at nursery said her "skin is dark" and her brother's skin is "bright". I was just wondering is this something that is taught at nursery? I am trying to understand what context this was said in and whether they may have been learning about different cultures. But at the same time asking DD without drawing too much attention to it isn't easy.

Also WIBU to ask nursery what context this was mentioned under? Eg. Are they learning about the world or was it a random (but seems a bit out of place) comment by a teacher.

TIA x

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gollyimholly · 29/07/2026 12:46

KaleidoscopeSmile · 29/07/2026 12:37

I find it extremely unlikely that a three-year old is reporting this conversation correctly and I also find it unlikely that the teacher - or whatever she was - used the word "bright" to describe the skin of a child that she's barely seen according to OP

My guess is that the teacher didn't say it about DS at all. And perhaps DD has some things jumbled up. However, I do also know DD is very good at articulating herself and has very good command of language. It is unlikely she would use other words than the specific ones used.

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BringBackCatsEyes · 29/07/2026 12:45

xOlive · 29/07/2026 12:16

Because she compared it to her sibling’s skin that was “bright”.
Bright is a positive word.
Saying “your skin is dark whereas your brother’s is bright” is implying the little girl’s skin is not bright because it’s dark and therefore implying her dark skin is a negative quality.
The teacher might not have said it maliciously or meant it in that way but the terminology isn’t great especially towards young children.

OK, so if the teacher said it in a comparison way, I can see where you're coming from, but I think it's unlikely and OP needs to clarify this.

gollyimholly · 29/07/2026 12:44

Hankunamatata · 29/07/2026 12:01

Are you in the uk? Are the nursery staff different races?

Tbh I would be a bit hmm that teacher described a baby skin tone as bright.

If your worried, go in and have a fave to face chat. Kids can repeat things incorrectly or pick up things wrong.

Yes, we're in London.
The member of staff in question is of Arab origin. I do not think her intent was bad at all. And this is all going off of what words my 3 year old said, and like you say I am very aware she may not be remembering the words or retelling it correctly.

I will have a face to face chat I think. But I think I feel more "brave" doing it over the phone.

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KaleidoscopeSmile · 29/07/2026 12:37

I find it extremely unlikely that a three-year old is reporting this conversation correctly and I also find it unlikely that the teacher - or whatever she was - used the word "bright" to describe the skin of a child that she's barely seen according to OP

xOlive · 29/07/2026 12:16

BringBackCatsEyes · 29/07/2026 10:37

I don’t think I’d be happy with the term “dark” in this context as it’s almost coming across as a negative.

The nursery teacher said "skin is dark". How is that coming across as negative?

Because she compared it to her sibling’s skin that was “bright”.
Bright is a positive word.
Saying “your skin is dark whereas your brother’s is bright” is implying the little girl’s skin is not bright because it’s dark and therefore implying her dark skin is a negative quality.
The teacher might not have said it maliciously or meant it in that way but the terminology isn’t great especially towards young children.

London22 · 29/07/2026 12:09

This is such a sensitive area regarding skin tones. To use the terms "bright" to describe skin tones is a term used amongst certain cultures. Does it make it right, no.

But that will give you an idea of which specific staff member you may need to address.

Most children settings will often allow children to select their own colours that they feel define their skintone. It may not even match.

However be mindful of languages you choose to describe your child's skin tone. As we know colourism exist amongst certain families, as well as the generalized racism amongst ignorant members of society, as much as we like to pretend it doesn't.

MayaPyjama · 29/07/2026 12:08

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/07/2026 10:27

No black skin is black.
Brown skin is brown.
White skin is peach.
My nieces husband is from Malawi it is not a compliment to be described as dark, darker than your siblings and extended family. Maybe teacher need to be educated better.
This wasn’t the type of racism that white people created between POC but it is a form racism.

No, it CAN be racist if used in a derogatory way or if value is attributed to darkness or lightness of skin.

There is absolutely nothing racist about saying someone has darker skin than someone else. It’s a factual descriptor. It’s exactly the same as saying someone has darker hair than someone, which might be offensive in a culture that values blonde hair - but in essence is just objectively true, and not racist at all.

Hankunamatata · 29/07/2026 12:01

Are you in the uk? Are the nursery staff different races?

Tbh I would be a bit hmm that teacher described a baby skin tone as bright.

If your worried, go in and have a fave to face chat. Kids can repeat things incorrectly or pick up things wrong.

DeskGnome · 29/07/2026 11:37

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/07/2026 10:15

Dark is not a very nice description. Tanned skin would be better.
I know when DD was little she used to use, peach, brown, or black.
I would be having a word with the teacher.

Why would ‘tanned’ be better considering it’s mostly used to describe skin colour made darker by the sun?

NewHere83 · 29/07/2026 11:28

My child recently sat in the pharmacist saying "where's the black one gone? The black man is in the little room", describing the black pharmacist and I died inside because even though there's nothing insulting in that description I do find it rude to describe people solely by their race. Then the tall, ginger man walked out and she said "now the blue one is here". Ginger guy was wearing a blue shirt. Pharmacist was wearing a black shirt. She didn't notice their skin colour, it was their shirts. 🤦‍♂️

FrannyScraps · 29/07/2026 11:09

gollyimholly · 29/07/2026 10:24

Also, AIBU in having a problem with the word "bright" as an opposite to "dark"? Because I feel like dark skin can also be bright and glowy etc. and so not an accurate opposite word of "dark".

Sounds more likely that your DD mistook the descriptions of light (not bright) and dark.

ukgone2pot · 29/07/2026 10:53

I always find these topics interesting and how different people describe skin colours as 'negative' etc. There are massive layers of hypocrisy in it all too that I will never understand.

The phrase " tall, dark and handsome" for example, nobody would batter an eyelid at that description of an man. But referring to a child as 'dark' is negative?

From my old experience, children will often use their own language when describing skin colour. My DD described a black child as having 'brown skin'. I think that is fine, and she was probably referred to as having different skin as she is half Chinese.

I think as long as she knows that all skin colours are beautiful then that's the most important thing.

Motomum23 · 29/07/2026 10:51

Perhaps they were drawing their family and child asked for recommendations on which colour would be best for her/her brother and teacher said 'brother is brighter' as in a different shade.
Conversations with toddlers happen randomly im sure it wasnt a planned lesson.

hydriotaphia · 29/07/2026 10:49

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/07/2026 10:48

Young children are often taught to choose crayons etc to match skin colours when drawing classmates/family members. I imagine the discussion about skin tone arose from that.
Then teacher should suggest choosing a colour close to your skin tone, some of us are brown, some black, some peach, choose a colour.
Not some of us are light and some of us are dark (skinned). No.

This seems sensible.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/07/2026 10:48

Young children are often taught to choose crayons etc to match skin colours when drawing classmates/family members. I imagine the discussion about skin tone arose from that.
Then teacher should suggest choosing a colour close to your skin tone, some of us are brown, some black, some peach, choose a colour.
Not some of us are light and some of us are dark (skinned). No.

hydriotaphia · 29/07/2026 10:47

I wouldn't have a problem with 'dark' (although perhaps not ideal) but would have an issue with 'bright' being used to describe paler skin. I think it is fine to ask the nursery about how they deal with this. You don't need to mention a specific incident if you don't want to.

gollyimholly · 29/07/2026 10:46

Pearlstillsinging · 29/07/2026 10:42

The member of staff is unlikely to be a teacher, to start with. If adults can't get the titles of staff correct, when they will be listed prominently in the setting, I'm not sure how OP thinks that the staff can possibly know the nuances of terminology around skin colour in her family.
Young children are often taught to choose crayons etc to match skin colours when drawing classmates/family members. I imagine the discussion about skin tone arose from that.

I disagree. Your analogy doesn't work for me.
There's a whole group of staff that are in the classroom. The difference is, this staff member's title is a specific title and all I need to do is ask and find out. She was never formally introduced to parents. On the other hand, the conversation around skin tones is not always clear with exactly what words (or job title in your analogy) are OK to use.

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Pearlstillsinging · 29/07/2026 10:42

The member of staff is unlikely to be a teacher, to start with. If adults can't get the titles of staff correct, when they will be listed prominently in the setting, I'm not sure how OP thinks that the staff can possibly know the nuances of terminology around skin colour in her family.
Young children are often taught to choose crayons etc to match skin colours when drawing classmates/family members. I imagine the discussion about skin tone arose from that.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/07/2026 10:40

BringBackCatsEyes · 29/07/2026 10:35

Me saying someone has dark skin is racist? Is that not just describing someone's appearance, with no reference to their race?

I'm not using it as a label.

I have never heard someone saying someone with pale skin is peach.

A lot of Children in Ireland have been taught that their skin is peach, it is, it certainly isn’t white, it’s pink, purple, red, white so peach is the best described.
We use white.
Some white people have dark skin. I would say brown or black, it’s up to you how you want to say it.
Dark/ light are very different although used to describe daylight, it’s also used bad vs good. evil vs heavenly. I don’t think it’s right to use to describe a person. Maybe I am wrong.

BringBackCatsEyes · 29/07/2026 10:37

I don’t think I’d be happy with the term “dark” in this context as it’s almost coming across as a negative.

The nursery teacher said "skin is dark". How is that coming across as negative?

BringBackCatsEyes · 29/07/2026 10:36

gollyimholly · 29/07/2026 10:24

Also, AIBU in having a problem with the word "bright" as an opposite to "dark"? Because I feel like dark skin can also be bright and glowy etc. and so not an accurate opposite word of "dark".

It does sound odd, but you really need to just open up the conversation at this stage.

BringBackCatsEyes · 29/07/2026 10:35

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/07/2026 10:27

No black skin is black.
Brown skin is brown.
White skin is peach.
My nieces husband is from Malawi it is not a compliment to be described as dark, darker than your siblings and extended family. Maybe teacher need to be educated better.
This wasn’t the type of racism that white people created between POC but it is a form racism.

Me saying someone has dark skin is racist? Is that not just describing someone's appearance, with no reference to their race?

I'm not using it as a label.

I have never heard someone saying someone with pale skin is peach.

hopspot · 29/07/2026 10:33

I’ve never described white skin as peach.

I think ring up for a chat. I had no idea that saying ‘dark’ as an adjective was wrong and that saying ‘tanned’ was better. I thought tanned meant you’ve been in the sun a lot.

Is there a website you could direct them to to help?

xOlive · 29/07/2026 10:31

gollyimholly · 29/07/2026 10:24

Also, AIBU in having a problem with the word "bright" as an opposite to "dark"? Because I feel like dark skin can also be bright and glowy etc. and so not an accurate opposite word of "dark".

You’re definitely not being unreasonable.
Nyakim Gatwech (model) has beautifully glowy skin!
The teacher needs speaking to and a bit of training on the terminology she uses.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/07/2026 10:27

BringBackCatsEyes · 29/07/2026 10:22

Why is “dark” not nice? It’s direct and factual.
You don’t say that black skin is tanned!

No black skin is black.
Brown skin is brown.
White skin is peach.
My nieces husband is from Malawi it is not a compliment to be described as dark, darker than your siblings and extended family. Maybe teacher need to be educated better.
This wasn’t the type of racism that white people created between POC but it is a form racism.