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To think Andy Burnham is doing a decent job so far?

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spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 08:33

I’m really impressed by him working with the tories and Lib Dems on social care. It’s what we’ve needed more of in this country for so long, and a solution to the crisis will only come about if the next party to take charge is also committed to the solution.

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Zonder · 04/08/2026 09:50

the80sweregreat · 04/08/2026 09:42

The late John Prescott was also worried about car ownership too. He went on ‘top gear ‘ once ages ago and said that 7 million more cars were bought than they anticipated.
Building more homes is all well and good, but increasing the amount of people living here will mean they will go on to have children and it goes on and on.
Plus new homes where I live are pricy and not affordable at all either.

They didn't all stay and have children here though, did they? So many went back with Brexit.

BrandiedAromatics · 04/08/2026 09:50

the80sweregreat · 04/08/2026 09:44

No, the government can’t make it rain, but it doesn’t seem to be on their radar much either.
Maybe they are just hoping it will by autumn and it’ll all be fine.

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The Starmer government did have a definite climate change agenda.

I agree with what @Visiblyabove25 posted earlier: they’re using money that was allocated as climate grants to developing nations and changing those grants into loans, so that they’ll be paid back at a later date and are therefore future income (on this, I would say I agree with ^ and my one uneasiness with Andy Burnham’s administration is whether they’ll be strong enough on climate action)^.

I was shocked with the "drill, baby, drill" policy of Burnham, too. Very strange when we had the driest July on record. I suppose Miliband is kept out of the way in his new role. I wonder what he thinks?

Badbadbunny · 04/08/2026 09:48

Zonder · 04/08/2026 09:42

Hmm. This was part of being in the EU and we know a huge number of EU nationals left the UK with Brexit.

It's also the eastern Europeans who I would suggest brought a lot of good to the UK in terms of skills and work. They brought a net positive economic impact, paying more in taxes than they took in benefits.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov/positive-economic-impact-uk-immigration-european-union-new-evidence

No, it wasn't "part of being in the EU". Other major economies in Europe put limits on Eastern European immigration, Blair CHOSE not to!

Badbadbunny · 04/08/2026 09:47

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2026 08:04

Surely the bus fare cap will be funded from increased use. It costs the same to run a bus whether it’s full, empty or somewhere in between, the more people there are on the bus the more money is collected.

People only care so much about immigration because Farage et al are obsessed with it. Burnham’s entirely right not to indulge them.

My understanding is that the Govt pay subsidies to the bus companies to cover the "lost" income from OAP's free bus passes and the fare cap.

the80sweregreat · 04/08/2026 09:44

No, the government can’t make it rain, but it doesn’t seem to be on their radar much either.
Maybe they are just hoping it will by autumn and it’ll all be fine.

the80sweregreat · 04/08/2026 09:42

The late John Prescott was also worried about car ownership too. He went on ‘top gear ‘ once ages ago and said that 7 million more cars were bought than they anticipated.
Building more homes is all well and good, but increasing the amount of people living here will mean they will go on to have children and it goes on and on.
Plus new homes where I live are pricy and not affordable at all either.

Zonder · 04/08/2026 09:42

BrandiedAromatics · 04/08/2026 09:34

@Corianda is making a very valid point. A point made by John Prescott, at the time:

Prescott said he was "extremely concerned" that a sudden large influx of migrants would put pressure on social housing.

Blair went with this despite not having to at all. This was all revealed in newly released files, earlier this year.

Tony Blair opened Britain’s borders to eastern Europe despite migrant influx warning from ministers, files reveal | LBC

Hmm. This was part of being in the EU and we know a huge number of EU nationals left the UK with Brexit.

It's also the eastern Europeans who I would suggest brought a lot of good to the UK in terms of skills and work. They brought a net positive economic impact, paying more in taxes than they took in benefits.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov/positive-economic-impact-uk-immigration-european-union-new-evidence

Positive economic impact of UK immigration from the European Union: new evidence

European immigrants to the UK have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits, helping to relieve the fiscal burden on UK-born workers and contributing to the financing of public services - according to new research by the UCL Centre for Researc...

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov/positive-economic-impact-uk-immigration-european-union-new-evidence

TemperanceWest · 04/08/2026 09:41

the80sweregreat · 04/08/2026 09:33

His gone on holiday abroad and Louise Haige is in charge apparently. Not sure what she wants to do about the drought, but it’s worrying that the government have hardly mentioned it and it’s obvious that months of no significant rain is a worry.

What do you think the goverment can do apart from introduce water restrictions if needed?

BrandiedAromatics · 04/08/2026 09:34

Zonder · 04/08/2026 09:02

Specifically how did Blair do that?

@Corianda is making a very valid point. A point made by John Prescott, at the time:

Prescott said he was "extremely concerned" that a sudden large influx of migrants would put pressure on social housing.

Blair went with this despite not having to at all. This was all revealed in newly released files, earlier this year.

Tony Blair opened Britain’s borders to eastern Europe despite migrant influx warning from ministers, files reveal | LBC

Tony Blair opened Britain’s borders to eastern Europe despite migrant influx warning from ministers, files reveal | LBC

Tony Blair’s government pressed ahead with an open borders policy for new EU countries in 2004 despite ministers urging him to re-think the policy, newly released files have revealed.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tony-blair-opened-borders-eu-countries-warning-5HjcxS7_2/

the80sweregreat · 04/08/2026 09:33

His gone on holiday abroad and Louise Haige is in charge apparently. Not sure what she wants to do about the drought, but it’s worrying that the government have hardly mentioned it and it’s obvious that months of no significant rain is a worry.

Loopylalalou · 04/08/2026 09:28

Yesterday, I met with other parish councillors from our medium sized village in the central south to decide our strategy for 27/28.
For the first time ever we expanded our list of Risks beyond the obvious, such as flooding, to include crop failure/rise in food prices, cost of oil and the effect on services, cyber attack wiping out payment systems and the forced influx of persons.
As a council we’re absolutely non-political but listed realistic issues that’ll affect the ongoing stability of our village community.
Is this not also a list of what the government should be tackling now?

TemperanceWest · 04/08/2026 09:15

Boomer55 · 04/08/2026 09:06

He’s talked a lot. But, they all talk a lot when they first start,

And now he’s on his holiday, so until Parliament actually returns to work, it’s impossible to say how good or bad he’ll be, 🤷‍♀️

How dare he go on holiday. Bloody cheek of it.

Zonder · 04/08/2026 09:14

Boomer55 · 04/08/2026 09:08

Migration reached its peak under Boris Johnson.

https://didtheydeliver.co.uk/uk-net-migration/

Shhhh! How does that help in blaming Labour?

Boomer55 · 04/08/2026 09:06

Pedant61 · 29/07/2026 08:45

It's only been a week! He has floated a couple of vaguely interesting ideas, for which he doesn't have the funding, or any concept of where he will find the funding. He hasn't done anything.
Come back at the time of the next General Election in 2029 - if he survives that long - and then we can actually form a view of what he has done.

He’s talked a lot. But, they all talk a lot when they first start,

And now he’s on his holiday, so until Parliament actually returns to work, it’s impossible to say how good or bad he’ll be, 🤷‍♀️

Zonder · 04/08/2026 09:03

Visiblyabove25 · 04/08/2026 08:59

The fact that so many people believe that is why it’s good to take the heated emotion out of the immigration debate. Because, while it’s convenient to blame immigrants for everything, chronic under-building by successive governments is why there’s a lack of affordable housing, the NHS would collapse without migrant workers, and all the research suggests that working-age migrants contribute more in taxes and visa fees than they consume in benefits.

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Exactly. But it doesn't suit some people's agenda.

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2026 09:02

Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:51

T Blair let 300,000 per year in. T May promised to cut immigration to below 250,000 when home secretary 2010 to 2016 but she failed and it remained above.
These are the recorded ones.
The boat crossings are a visible example of out of control immigration but it started with Blair - unless you think a third of a million a year is a small number.

The highest immigration levels ever were in 2023. Blair had been out of power for 15 years.

Zonder · 04/08/2026 09:02

Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:51

T Blair let 300,000 per year in. T May promised to cut immigration to below 250,000 when home secretary 2010 to 2016 but she failed and it remained above.
These are the recorded ones.
The boat crossings are a visible example of out of control immigration but it started with Blair - unless you think a third of a million a year is a small number.

Specifically how did Blair do that?

Visiblyabove25 · 04/08/2026 08:59

Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:46

The number of small boat crossings are down. Of course people will still care about immigration, and certain people will always care alot about immigration, for reasons of their own, but most people really don’t care about it anywhere near as much they care about housing or health care or the economy.

Well there is a very obvious link between immigration and the shortage of housing, healthcare at overcrowded GP's surgery, and benefit payments to an increasing number if the jobs market is dire.

The fact that so many people believe that is why it’s good to take the heated emotion out of the immigration debate. Because, while it’s convenient to blame immigrants for everything, chronic under-building by successive governments is why there’s a lack of affordable housing, the NHS would collapse without migrant workers, and all the research suggests that working-age migrants contribute more in taxes and visa fees than they consume in benefits.

spiceupyourlives · 04/08/2026 08:57

Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:51

T Blair let 300,000 per year in. T May promised to cut immigration to below 250,000 when home secretary 2010 to 2016 but she failed and it remained above.
These are the recorded ones.
The boat crossings are a visible example of out of control immigration but it started with Blair - unless you think a third of a million a year is a small number.

What were the net numbers?

it was Brexit. Just admit Brexit has been a catastrophic failure

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Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:51

T Blair let 300,000 per year in. T May promised to cut immigration to below 250,000 when home secretary 2010 to 2016 but she failed and it remained above.
These are the recorded ones.
The boat crossings are a visible example of out of control immigration but it started with Blair - unless you think a third of a million a year is a small number.

Zonder · 04/08/2026 08:51

spiceupyourlives · 04/08/2026 08:46

No, there isn’t.

Immigration started to really spike after Brexit. These issues were prevalent before Brexit, but certainly worsened by then.

This.

The biggest strain on housing and health has been chronic underfunding by years of Tory government. But it looks so much better to blame migrants.

Zonder · 04/08/2026 08:49

Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:40

Sorting our borders means checking who comes into the country by any means and stopping those that don't have the correct visas. Sending them back putting them in boats or planes back.
I haven't spoken to the beggars but I know someone who does on a daily basis - it is a minefield

To add the boat numbers have roughly halved but half of a big number is still a big number - we've had hundreds of thousands entering the country since Blair opened the doors in ?2003 - 23 years of it.

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Brexit had by far the biggest impact on who comes into the UK.

The points based system brought in by the Tories is worth looking at.
I wonder if you're confusing Blair with the EU expansion - which of course hasn't had a big impact on the UK since so many EU nationals left with Brexit.

spiceupyourlives · 04/08/2026 08:46

Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:46

The number of small boat crossings are down. Of course people will still care about immigration, and certain people will always care alot about immigration, for reasons of their own, but most people really don’t care about it anywhere near as much they care about housing or health care or the economy.

Well there is a very obvious link between immigration and the shortage of housing, healthcare at overcrowded GP's surgery, and benefit payments to an increasing number if the jobs market is dire.

No, there isn’t.

Immigration started to really spike after Brexit. These issues were prevalent before Brexit, but certainly worsened by then.

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Corianda · 04/08/2026 08:46

The number of small boat crossings are down. Of course people will still care about immigration, and certain people will always care alot about immigration, for reasons of their own, but most people really don’t care about it anywhere near as much they care about housing or health care or the economy.

Well there is a very obvious link between immigration and the shortage of housing, healthcare at overcrowded GP's surgery, and benefit payments to an increasing number if the jobs market is dire.

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