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To think Andy Burnham is doing a decent job so far?

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spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 08:33

I’m really impressed by him working with the tories and Lib Dems on social care. It’s what we’ve needed more of in this country for so long, and a solution to the crisis will only come about if the next party to take charge is also committed to the solution.

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5128gap · 29/07/2026 11:00

Fchane · 29/07/2026 08:41

I think he’s been absolutely dreadful. Full of expensive, unfunded promises.

Yes, it’s good if they can come up with a cross party agreement but he’s doing it out of political survival. If there is cross party consensus, the other parties share the fall out with the public of whatever the solution is. If he thought he could come up with a solution the public would like, he’d do it under Labour alone.

So what would you prefer then? For the party that you most closely align with to be shut out of the decision making, just so you can have the satisfaction of carping about Labour without having to spread the responsibility?

SadiraOfTyr · 29/07/2026 11:00

LauraNorda · 29/07/2026 09:36

Well, that's due to our system. The Libdems got those 72 seats on 3,519,143 votes. Reforms 4,117,610 votes ended up with 5 seats.

And yet when the coalition government ran a referendum to reform the voting system to a more equitable one it was soundly rejected.

So we are stuck with the system we have, unfit as it is for a multiparty system. That means that parties which have a strong local base (such as the LibDems) will always do better than ones with wide but dispersed support (such as reform).

randomchap · 29/07/2026 10:59

Gooning · 29/07/2026 10:58

I don't know much about reform..but at least Tories will immediately bring down energy bills

How?

Gooning · 29/07/2026 10:58

I don't know much about reform..but at least Tories will immediately bring down energy bills

Daygloboo · 29/07/2026 10:56

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 08:33

I’m really impressed by him working with the tories and Lib Dems on social care. It’s what we’ve needed more of in this country for so long, and a solution to the crisis will only come about if the next party to take charge is also committed to the solution.

Yes. The problems in this country are stoked by an extremely right wing press, who dont want anything to succeed unless it benefits millionaires, no matter the cost to the middle and working classes. And also, many members of the public have now been trained to moan the minute things are a bit rocky. Hence all the PMs in a short space of time. The electorate needs to behave more responsibly and grow up s bit and stop simply repeating things they've read in the papers or on TV. The number of poverty stricken , toothless fools I've seen on TV suggesting Nigel Farage will make their lives better is beyond a joke. It's pathetic. We are so politucally illiterate in UK it's laughable.

Chocolatecustardcreamsrule · 29/07/2026 10:55

I like him and I feel like he is focused on issues that I care about. Social care is such a mess and any focus on trying to fix it is a good thing in my opinion. The reduction in bus fairs won’t impact me but is great for my village. Moving things out of London should happen and Manchester is so well connected that it’s a good option.

Freeme31 · 29/07/2026 10:55

Agree priority he is focusing on ordinary people’s problems.

Overtheatlantic · 29/07/2026 10:54

I think it’s utterly ridiculous that this conversation is taking place two weeks into his premiership. In the summer. This country is doomed for many reasons and the fickle electorate is one of them.

Rosal33 · 29/07/2026 10:53

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 10:52

Ask Farage. He’s the one who’s put out a statement saying he wasn’t invited and it’s the “uni party”

😂

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 10:52

Rosal33 · 29/07/2026 10:47

Why would they be invited?They want to privatise the NHS, why invite a party who wants to destroy the NHS to a meeting trying to save it?

Ask Farage. He’s the one who’s put out a statement saying he wasn’t invited and it’s the “uni party”

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Gooning · 29/07/2026 10:52

randomchap · 29/07/2026 10:40

What about him? Is it him boasting about moving spending from poorer areas to richer ones? Is that what you liked about him?

He meant that the previous funding formulas unfairly favored inner cities while ignoring the needs of impoverished rural towns and small communities.

Rosal33 · 29/07/2026 10:52

Digerydont · 29/07/2026 10:44

All hat and no rabbit

Really you say that as regards somebody who has been in power barely a week and is already talking more sense than a party who was in power for 14 years and achieved nothing aside from eroding of public services. That is the true meaning of a party that is all hat and no rabbit!

This country needs somebody who gets on and sorts the major issues this country is struggling with as opposed to petty criticism and zero policies from the sidelines designed to keep backbenchers happy- looking at you Kemi!

peakyblenders · 29/07/2026 10:52

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 10:51

Typical British attitude. “It doesn’t benefit me so nobody can have it”

Couldn't agree more!

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 10:51

bestchooseanother · 29/07/2026 10:48

I'll be saving about £1 a month. If that. I suspect my amount is more typical in the main.

Very happy for you that you have buses you can use, we don't. Again, I think my experience is more usual nationally.

Typical British attitude. “It doesn’t benefit me so nobody can have it”

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Popovf · 29/07/2026 10:48

I do wish we, the British, would get involved in protecting the West Bank Palestinians from the terrorising and persecution from Settlers. The Police and IDF and the Courts are all biased against the Arabs.

bestchooseanother · 29/07/2026 10:48

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 10:35

Between the buses and the electric I will be saving £85 a month. Not much to be sniffed at!

I'll be saving about £1 a month. If that. I suspect my amount is more typical in the main.

Very happy for you that you have buses you can use, we don't. Again, I think my experience is more usual nationally.

Rosal33 · 29/07/2026 10:47

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 08:48

Yes, me too. I think some reform leaning people are angry because Farage wasn’t invited.

Why would they be invited?They want to privatise the NHS, why invite a party who wants to destroy the NHS to a meeting trying to save it?

Digerydont · 29/07/2026 10:44

All hat and no rabbit

randomchap · 29/07/2026 10:40

Gooning · 29/07/2026 10:34

Everyday I miss Rishi Sunak

What about him? Is it him boasting about moving spending from poorer areas to richer ones? Is that what you liked about him?

stuckdownahole · 29/07/2026 10:40

Thismountain · 29/07/2026 08:45

He's still helping Israel and America attack Arabic people - think he's even worse than Starmer. We've been manipulated into thinking this is reasonable - I admire the European leaders who are moral and brave enough not to be bullied.

The majority of British people simply don't care much about wars in far away places. Before you yell at me, please note I said the majority not no-one, that's why we have the four independent MPs elected based on their opposition to the war in Gaza.

Seeing everything through the lens of that conflict is affecting your judgement. Here's a question: how much should the British people base their voting decisions on foreign policy issues which pose no imminent threat to our own country?

TaleOfTwoHalves · 29/07/2026 10:39

He sounds logical. Like he’s doing the right things. Which begs the question, what the fuck were the other ones doing?

MeNotYouJustMe · 29/07/2026 10:39

bestchooseanother · 29/07/2026 09:50

What Arabic people? Iranians are not Arabic. Most Palestinians are... but I don't think we're supposed to mention that as we're meant to pretend they're the helpless indigenous population and the Israelis are the evil colonisers. When obviously it's the opposite. We, America and even Israel are allied with the actual Arabian nations, and are currently trying to defend them from attacks by Iran and Iranian proxies. Which I'm sure you'll be happy to learn.

As far as Burnham, he's so far announced some piddling, un-costed policies which will have little impact. Other than for the very wealthy or wasteful, who might appreciate the lack of VAT when running a mansion. For most of us it's entirely meaningless, and as apparently we don't have much money, one thinks it could be used for something more useful. As for buses, providing some more would be a far more sensible use of money. Most users don't pay anyway, and as has already been seen elsewhere when caps are introduced, bus companies will just change routes to make sure they don't miss out on profits. So a £3 single on one bus will very possibly turn into a longer journey split into two for £4.

But even if that doesn't happen, and the (non-existent) buses are cheaper for the minority of people who actually pay to use them, it seems like the most absurd way to start. How can he possibly think the country's most pressing needs are reducing £3 bus fares and saving an average household £4 a month on electricity? It's naked populism, done badly. Social care is indeed a pressing issue, and one would think he'd want to put every penny he could towards that. Especially when we are almost certainly not going to like what he's proposing, any more than we liked it a decade ago when he first suggested it. If I were one of the other parties, I would keep well clear. There's no chance at all this nasty little man will give them any credit if it goes well, so why would they bother; he's spent a career taking credit for everyone else's work, it's jolly unlikely he'll change now! Of course when it fails, he'll blame them for not supporting him. But as he'll also obviously blame for its failure if they do join him, it makes little difference.

So no, I don't think it's at all a good start. Obviously I may be wrong, and I genuinely hope I am as I have no idea what plan C is.

Where do you get the idea he’s a “nasty little man”? This description is completely at odds with most people who have met him or worked with him so what’s your basis for it?

Petrolitis · 29/07/2026 10:37

Loving him so far but the russian bots and oligarch owned press will be in full propaganda mode. They want instability.

Look at the damage Rupert Murdochs campaign against the BBC has done.

spiceupyourlives · 29/07/2026 10:36

chirrupybird · 29/07/2026 09:36

I don't even know what he means by it, government policies have to work for the whole country, is he suggesting the north of the country will have different policies than the rest of the country? Is it just for Manchester? Will it be a glorified mayor's office? Or will it be just a talking shop that refers back to London? Or he just hangs out there sometimes instead of at Number 10 in London.

No. He’s taking the power out of London because the entire country has become London centric.

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MeNotYouJustMe · 29/07/2026 10:36

Binnyforthewin · 29/07/2026 09:36

Note how the Lib Dems have gone very quite on PR recently....

It’s a real challenge - I’m a massive fan of PR but it does worry me that Reform would gain more power. They are dangerous people and we underestimate them at our peril.

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