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To let my niece stay when she refuses to see her mum?

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ShadowShapes · 24/07/2026 23:25

My sister has 2 children, my niece is 20 and my nephew is only 10 months, so a huge age gap. They have different fathers.

My niece is at university and since my sister had the baby, my niece has refused to spend holidays at home, preferring to stay in her uni city with friends. My sister isn’t happy with this but has had to accept it. My niece has told her that she doesn’t want anything to do with her or the baby. She thinks her mum is mad for having another child. My sister and partner have been together for 5 years and he moved in when my niece was 17. My niece got on ok with him but didn’t like him living with them.

My niece planned to stay in her uni city for summer but asked if she can spend the summer with us a couple of weeks ago. I said she could but that she should tell her mum. She did and my sister said we shouldn’t let her stay with us and we will make things worse.

My niece came to us last week and my sister is angry. I said that I am being neutral but that I will speak to my niece about how she’s feeling and try to help them sort out their relationship. My sister thinks I should tell her that she can’t stay with us but I’ve said she will always be welcome here. My niece is such a nice person but she is adamant she wants nothing to do with her mum, her partner or the new baby.

I feel really in the middle but my niece is still really young and I wasn’t going to turn her away. I’ve tried to put myself in my sisters shoes but it’s difficult as I can’t imagine having another child now and how my children would feel about that.

I’m going to let her stay but going forward what would you do? I’ve suggested to my niece that her mum comes for a coffee or to meet for a walk with or without the baby to try to sort things out but my niece isn’t interested. She just seems to be getting on with her life and seems happy without her mum in it. She helps around the house, gets on well with my children who are also home from uni, goes out with friends and is working. It’s like she has just wiped her mum out of her life, They had a good relationship until her mums partner moved in. She says she feels her mum put him first and although her partner is ok, she didn’t like living with another person.

OP posts:
LlynTegid · 25/07/2026 11:36

I am team niece on this one, and think you are doing the right thing by having her stay with you from time to time. Not just because you have no quarrel with each other.

Tinks2026 · 25/07/2026 11:35

Tryagain26 · 25/07/2026 11:28

She doesn't sound spoiled to me. Just someone who for whatever reason doesn't feel at home in her mother's house anymore .
The sister sounds selfish to me and lacking in understanding.
Her daughter doesn't want to live in a house with her mother's new partner or child and she feels more at home with her aunt and her cousins who are more her age. I would be grateful to my sister for caring for my daughter.

Yup. A normal, caring mother doesn't try to spitefully punish her own child by denying them a safe adult relative's care, just because her daughter has reacted in a way anybody could have foreseen to feeling ignored and supplanted.

The sister sounds vicious and selfish. She's trying to punish and force her daughter into compliance.

It's that sort of self centred crap that has caused the estrangement. If OP was daft enough to comply with her sister's high handed demands her niece might permanently end the relationship with her mother.

OPs sister is a clueless, selfish fool. She can't control her daughter and could easily lose her altogether.

Time she realised that.

ohdelay · 25/07/2026 11:34

redskyAtNigh · 25/07/2026 11:08

Of course it is. If niece had said "Can i come and stay with you because it's closer to my summer job/it's on a better bus route/I don't want to wake the baby up coming in late after socialising/it's a quieter environment to study - but I'll of course still be going over to see my mum and sibling all the time and going on days out with them" then OP would not be starting a thread and niece would just move in with OP.

That's the comparator.

Edited

Disagree, she is saying "I've gone no contact with my mum and her partner, can I stay at yours over the summer instead". Which is fine, but saying okay is actively becoming part of the drama.

MissRaspberryRipples · 25/07/2026 11:31

godmum56 · 25/07/2026 11:25

not relevant. The whole point is that the OP should not be judging or trying to make decisions based on might haves or what ifs. The niece has made her decisions. From what the OP has told us she has made her own life and choices.

Maybe not to you or others but the op felt it relevant enough to add in that the mum in the nieces eyes never had time for her to state why the niece doesn't speak to her mum. I did also say that the sister SHOULDN'T be telling her not to have her niece there though regardless

godmum56 · 25/07/2026 11:29

ShadowShapes · 25/07/2026 00:46

I think that’s exactly how my niece sees it

My sister thinks it’s fine as she waited til my niece was over 16 to move him in and that my niece was starting to live her own life, was out with friends a lot and was planning on leaving for university soon. She didn’t see why it made a difference that her partner tagged along when they did things, My sisters partner apparently paid for all the ivf costs so my sister says not doing that wouldn’t mean she could help with university costs.

My niece told me that she feels like she hasn’t had a mum for years and she has dealt with it, moved on and made a life for herself. She says her mum is only bothered now because she’ll feel embarrassed that she is staying with us, but didn’t have a big problem with her not having much contact when she was staying in her uni city for holidays.

Your niece actually sounds quite reasonable and measured in her response.

Sweetdreamsbeautifulnightmare · 25/07/2026 11:29

I haven’t read anything else on here but from your initial post I wonder if there’s something she isn’t saying about her mums partner? She clearly doesn’t like him and isn’t happy the dynamics have changed. If your niece is a nice girl and helps around house etc, I’d definitely let her stay and ensure she’s happy and knows she’s welcome and tell your sister you’re keeping her safe. She may open up more to you once she knows you’re on her side.

Tryagain26 · 25/07/2026 11:28

Whowouldwanttobeateacher · 24/07/2026 23:30

Your niece sounds incredibly spoiled and I feel for your sister, I wouldn't stop her staying though as at least it keeps communication open.

She doesn't sound spoiled to me. Just someone who for whatever reason doesn't feel at home in her mother's house anymore .
The sister sounds selfish to me and lacking in understanding.
Her daughter doesn't want to live in a house with her mother's new partner or child and she feels more at home with her aunt and her cousins who are more her age. I would be grateful to my sister for caring for my daughter.

Tinks2026 · 25/07/2026 11:27

ShadowShapes · 25/07/2026 00:46

I think that’s exactly how my niece sees it

My sister thinks it’s fine as she waited til my niece was over 16 to move him in and that my niece was starting to live her own life, was out with friends a lot and was planning on leaving for university soon. She didn’t see why it made a difference that her partner tagged along when they did things, My sisters partner apparently paid for all the ivf costs so my sister says not doing that wouldn’t mean she could help with university costs.

My niece told me that she feels like she hasn’t had a mum for years and she has dealt with it, moved on and made a life for herself. She says her mum is only bothered now because she’ll feel embarrassed that she is staying with us, but didn’t have a big problem with her not having much contact when she was staying in her uni city for holidays.

Your niece sees things quite clearly. I'm glad she has you. Your sister will just have to pay for a babysitter.

godmum56 · 25/07/2026 11:27

YourWildAmberSloth · 25/07/2026 11:16

All of that might be true, but the issue seems to be since her mum had the baby - which is a different matter altogether. I would let her stay but saying that she wants nothing to do with her mum because she's had a baby and wants nothing to do with the baby either, makes her sound spoilt. She's an adult, your sister is entitled to a life of her own. Maybe she moved too fast at the beginning but that apparently has nothing to do with her behaviour now.

Edited

why is she spoilt because she has made life choices? Why should she want anything to do with a baby?

godmum56 · 25/07/2026 11:25

MissRaspberryRipples · 25/07/2026 11:22

Is there a chance the niece has exaggerated how her mum never had time for her? She may not have but you never know. Teens can be manipulative unfortunately. I have a daughter now the same age who moved out at 18. When I started work she started saying I never had time for her due to my work commitments, she even went as far as crying begging me to not go to work to the point I'd have to call out because she would have supposed panic attacks but then as soon as I'd be off work she'd sit in her room call her boyfriend invite him over then act like i wasn't even there. She moved out telling everyone I was the problem yet we would spend all the younger kids summer holidays dancing to her tune, she would refuse to come on days out yet didn't want to stay home without me there which would prevent the other kids from going out places. She told my sister I kept her prisoner in our home said I wouldn't allow her to go out yet the simplest thing like taking my kids to appointments she made difficult by kicking off and saying I couldn't go without her and I'd have to rearrange them due to her refusal to leave the house. Her mum shouldn't be telling the aunt not to have her round though the girl is an adult and can stay where she chooses.

not relevant. The whole point is that the OP should not be judging or trying to make decisions based on might haves or what ifs. The niece has made her decisions. From what the OP has told us she has made her own life and choices.

Tryagain26 · 25/07/2026 11:24

Yes of course you should let her stay and if I were your sister I would be grateful that my daughter had someone to talk to and that you were willing to let her stay with you.

godmum56 · 25/07/2026 11:22

Pinkthinker007 · 25/07/2026 11:05

You absolutely made the right decision. Both parties are grown adults free to live their lives as they choose. Your sister is thinking emotionally and from her perspective. In truth, if you were to push your niece away and in effect distance her from wider family too who knows what that would do to her mental health.

This. This is not a teenage child, its two adults, three if you count the OP. They all have the right to make their own choices.

MissRaspberryRipples · 25/07/2026 11:22

Is there a chance the niece has exaggerated how her mum never had time for her? She may not have but you never know. Teens can be manipulative unfortunately. I have a daughter now the same age who moved out at 18. When I started work she started saying I never had time for her due to my work commitments, she even went as far as crying begging me to not go to work to the point I'd have to call out because she would have supposed panic attacks but then as soon as I'd be off work she'd sit in her room call her boyfriend invite him over then act like i wasn't even there. She moved out telling everyone I was the problem yet we would spend all the younger kids summer holidays dancing to her tune, she would refuse to come on days out yet didn't want to stay home without me there which would prevent the other kids from going out places. She told my sister I kept her prisoner in our home said I wouldn't allow her to go out yet the simplest thing like taking my kids to appointments she made difficult by kicking off and saying I couldn't go without her and I'd have to rearrange them due to her refusal to leave the house. Her mum shouldn't be telling the aunt not to have her round though the girl is an adult and can stay where she chooses.

Lunde · 25/07/2026 11:20

EmeraldShamrock000 · 25/07/2026 10:43

No he didn’t. He moved in 3 years ago and they were together 15 months before that. It was the first man the mother introduced to DD despite having had other secret relationships.

She fell for this man hard, he fell hard too and he paid for IVF.

Maybe mam deserves love too.

I don’t agree with her not cutting out special time to spend with DD, taken on an extra job to save for her uni but finding a loving relationship is not the problem.

Nor do I agree with moving a new partner in within a year or 3 years from leaving the previous relationship. This lady stayed single for 9 years.

Edited

He was sleeping over there several nights a week within weeks - OP wrote at 23.39 that he was virtually living there within weeks of meeting

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ShadowShapes · Yesterday 23:39
She isn’t at all. When my sister met her partner, she introduced him very quickly to my niece. He was staying over most nights within weeks so almost living there and then properly moved in after about 15 months.

Besidemyselfwithworry · 25/07/2026 11:17

bluebeck · 25/07/2026 09:37

It sounds like DN was pushed aside in favour of new bloke. DSIS has created this situation so she has to live with the consequences.

I couldn’t agree more!!!!!!!
DN was 17 she’s still a young person who needs guidance and needs her mum - DN’s mum sounds like she cared more about her own needs than her daughters and I personally don’t have time for people like that in my life.

YourWildAmberSloth · 25/07/2026 11:16

ShadowShapes · 24/07/2026 23:39

She isn’t at all. When my sister met her partner, she introduced him very quickly to my niece. He was staying over most nights within weeks so almost living there and then properly moved in after about 15 months. My niece would ask to do things with my sister and she always invited her partner along. My niece feels like she put him first and that as soon as she met him, she no longer spent time with just her. I spoke to my sister about it at the time but she told me my niece was fine and it wasn’t my business. I couldn’t say much because what I knew was through my daughter telling me what my niece was telling her. My niece started having more sleepovers with us but my sister said that was just what teens did with their cousins and not to do with her being upset with the new partner living with them.

All of that might be true, but the issue seems to be since her mum had the baby - which is a different matter altogether. I would let her stay but saying that she wants nothing to do with her mum because she's had a baby and wants nothing to do with the baby either, makes her sound spoilt. She's an adult, your sister is entitled to a life of her own. Maybe she moved too fast at the beginning but that apparently has nothing to do with her behaviour now.

Lunde · 25/07/2026 11:15

EmeraldShamrock000 · 25/07/2026 10:35

So your Dsis had relationships when DD was younger, 7 to 15 and never introduced any of these men, she waited until DD was 16 to move her partner in after 15 months, it wasn’t not the best decision but it was far from the worst decision.

Plenty of parents move on within a year, moving a man in and having a few children, in terms of single parents who are still looking for love, I think her DM was fair.

Why has she no money to support DD if she is a high achieving person? Has she had a job over the years? Can she access credit? Who pays for uni ATM I don’t understand that part.

According to OP the new man virtually moved in almost straight away - was sleeping over at nieces home several nights a week within weeks of meeting her mum

Lunde · 25/07/2026 11:11

Inmyuggs · 25/07/2026 10:11

What a brat
What teen decides to ignore her sibling because she didnt like her mothers partner moving in
What a brat and a selfish one...yip all good behaviour until it becomes familair..she needs to grow up

That is a really harsh interpretation - it seems that as soon as her mum met a new man when she was 14-15 the niece was basically not a priority for her mother and felt excluded

  • the new man was sleeping over multiple nights a week in nieces home within weeks of meeting her mum
  • He formally moved in around a year later when niece was 16
  • niece was not allowed to have 1:1 time with her mum after new man moved in - he had to be present
  • niece has to struggle with no parental financial support at Uni because mum is paying for IVF
  • Mum wants the rest of the family to isolate niece and exclude her from their homes
redskyAtNigh · 25/07/2026 11:09

Happyjoe · 25/07/2026 11:05

I disagree. Having a friendly ear to talk to is sometimes much needed. I think refusing to talk at all about the issue may be a bit harsh. But the OP shouldn't take sides, that's different.

A friendly ear is definitely needed - but OP is not the right person to be that friendly ear due to her split loyalties. It also puts her in the very difficult position that she might be told things in confidence by one person that she then has to actively not tell the other.

WhatNoRaisins · 25/07/2026 11:09

I also like to think that no matter how badly my relationship with my DC might deteriorate that I'd never try to cut them off from another source of support. That's a horrible thing for your sister to do.

Nefrititi · 25/07/2026 11:08

Whowouldwanttobeateacher · 24/07/2026 23:30

Your niece sounds incredibly spoiled and I feel for your sister, I wouldn't stop her staying though as at least it keeps communication open.

This exactly

redskyAtNigh · 25/07/2026 11:08

ohdelay · 25/07/2026 11:01

Not really, if she doesn't normally stay status quo is maintained. Having her stay over the holidays is new and actively choosing a side. Not judging picking a side if you believe the sister is in the wrong, but it's not a neutral action.

Of course it is. If niece had said "Can i come and stay with you because it's closer to my summer job/it's on a better bus route/I don't want to wake the baby up coming in late after socialising/it's a quieter environment to study - but I'll of course still be going over to see my mum and sibling all the time and going on days out with them" then OP would not be starting a thread and niece would just move in with OP.

That's the comparator.

poohbearhunny · 25/07/2026 11:08

EnjoythemoneyJane · 25/07/2026 10:56

So when she was literally asking to chat to her mum and spend one-on-one time with her and was completely ignored because her mother was prioritising her brand new bloke, that was fine?

But now she’s choosing to ignore her mum’s requests to chat she’s being unreasonable?

She’s obviously deeply hurt that her mother sidelined her in favour of a man, and now she’s grappling with the bizarre situation of having a step-sibling 20 years her junior, which must be both painful and unsettling.

Every poster describing her as ‘spoilt’, ‘bratty’ and ‘attention-seeking’ is coming off like someone who’s done the same to their own children. Or is entirely lacking in empathy and the most basic understanding of human psychology.

The mother - the adult - is in the wrong here, not the child. And it’s on her to take responsibility for how she made her daughter feel, then and now, and to make whatever concessions are needed to rebuild their relationship.

I have to say this echos my thoughts on the matter entirely. I think people judging this are being very harsh on a situation that must feel very painful to the niece

ps love the username!

OneFineDay22 · 25/07/2026 11:06

Reallyneedsaholiday · 25/07/2026 10:51

Just a suggestion, could you suggest that they both write a letter to each other. Put down their feelings on paper. And then read what each other has to say. Sometimes, meeting in person and having that conversation face to face is hard.
From what you’ve said, I’m on team niece, but she might regret cutting her mother (and sibling) off, without a backwards glance, at some point in the future.

This is good advice too - writing letters. But of course is niece isn’t interested she might just say no. You could present it as a therapeutic exercise - an opportunity to say everything she wants to say, clearly and calmly and without interruption.

TheHungryHungryLandsharks · 25/07/2026 11:06

I can't imagine any grown adult policing a sibling and telling them who they can and can't have to stay. Utterly bizzare behaviour on OP's sisters part, particularly when she has no relationship with her daughter - through her own actions including moving a strange man into the home she shared with her daughter within 'weeks.'

OP's sister is utterly unreasonable to try and force OP's niece out of OPs life - because that's effectively what she is trying to do.

OP's sister as good as signed away her parental rights the day she chose to effectively move a strange man, she had known for a few weeks, into a house with her child (DNiece was 15 at the time, based on the information OP has given). Personally, I couldn't look at a sibling the same way if they did this.

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