Letter from HA about loud music?

Fair enough. If you were responding solely to the literal claim that no sound of any kind should ever travel beyond a property boundary, then I agree that would be unreasonable. Ordinary neighbourhood noise inevitably carries.

However, your examples appeared to equate objections to amplified music with objections to children playing, babies crying and necessary garden work, which isn’t a fair comparison. The relevant distinction is not whether a sound crosses a boundary, but whether it is avoidable, excessive, persistent or unreasonably intrusive.

I wasn’t being disingenuous, I interpreted the broader implication of what you wrote. You’ve now clarified that you were addressing only that specific boundary comment, so there’s little left for us to disagree about.

That makes sense, though I’d say that having a decibel restriction doesn’t need to be acceptable for everyone, in the same way that any time restrictions for commercial work on a Sunday probably aren’t acceptable for all.

And telling me to get a grip is really rude and unnecessary.

What I actually wrote was it feels controlling to say that noise can’t go past a boundary

that’s not quite the same thing as how you’ve rephrased i

again I didn’t mention requests to limit noise at all, you are being disingenuous, saying things that weren’t in my post. I was very specifically responding to a boundary comment and listing noises that would be restricted by that, which in my neighbourhood are common.

I’m responding to what you actually wrote: that objections to intrusive noise feel “miserable, controlling and unfriendly,” followed by a list suggesting that children playing, babies crying and garden tools would all effectively be banned. If you don’t personally make noise in your garden, then clearly my questions about how you would respond to a neighbour don’t apply to your own behaviour.

The open-door example came from the wider discussion about music, it wasn’t presented as something you had specifically said.

But honestly, get a grip. Disagreeing with the argument you posted isn’t “attacking” you. If your point was only that one particular poster had demanded absolute silence, then address that specific comment. Your post read as though any request to limit noise was controlling, which is what I challenged.

Silence is probably too much to ask but yes, background hum level sounds completely reasonable.

If I’m playing music with my windows open, I go out on the balcony to make sure it’s only just audible out there. If I wanted to listen to it on the balcony I’d play it very quietly or use headphones.

Not that I haven’t been tempted sometimes to blast the Vagina Anthem out on repeat at full volume because I can hear other people’s noise. But that wouldn’t be fair on the quiet neighbours.

It would be nigh on impossible to come up with a decibel level that would be acceptable for everyone. Growing up (and bringing up children and grandchildren) it was the norm for noise to be in the background so you couldn't tell what the tune was unless you stood by the hedge and cracked your ears open. A gentle hum of music, children, dogs was expected - anyone shrieking/screaming or discernible music was unneighbourly.

Every time you refer to me “you” it’s directed at me?

like I am somehow the bad neighbour because i don’t mind my neighbours noises.

once more, several on this thread have had a zero tolerance to any noise / want silence / it can’t cross the boundary.

that is what I was responding to, not people who understand balance of normal life noises. And I’d consider myself one of those.

i don’t need to be shown how it can be made worse, I’m not stupid, and that is not what was being discussed in my post or interaction.

No one has attacked you and I find it ridiculous to say that. You wrote a comment and I responded line by line showing you that for example ‘music’ can be quietly enjoyed in your own garden without upsetting anyone else, or it can make you into an incredibly shite neighbour depending how it’s played. Line by line I showed you how everything you said can be made worse. That’s not an attack, that’s a response.

And no one accused you of making any noise.

I grew next to a neighbour like you. She ruined a huge chunk of our lives with her loud music, parties, people coming and going - you get the picture. It's had a very negative affect on my life.

Some have said silence is the standard tbf.

Others think any music (not just ridiculous amounts) isn’t ok

can’t please everyone so how do you decide? Keeping it between certain times and age appropriate seems fair

maybe a legal decibal level? Something measurable?

What music?!? I don’t play music! Im
talking about what my neighbours do that no-one in my neighbourhood seems to mind. I certainly don’t.

@sally037@NoCommentingFromNowOn

my comment, that both of you have attacked was part of a response to another comment saying that noise shouldn’t travel past a boundary. No exceptions or conditions were made.

I personally find that strange and unrealistic and don’t agree with it.

please consider availing yourself of context before going on the attack and making assumptions.

again for clarity - I don’t really make any noise in my garden, I just don’t expect my neighbours to be silent.

The music isn't OK. It's antisocial to impose your music on other people.

I don’t understand your post

i don’t make any noise in my garden really

i was replying to someone who talked about noise not going past a boundary / their garden being silent.

so some have been that extreme.

not sure why you are choosing to attack me and say things I’ve not said, eg I’ve not mentioned someone asking a door to be shut?

some are saying that

and some aren’t talking about reasonable time frames, they are talking about all the time

people are saying at 12 noon on a sat, that a lawnmower running, abba on the radio, crying baby (being comforted by mum), kids kicking a football, kids bouncing on an trampoline (nothing to do with seeing in, we are discussing noise only), a family chatting and laughing - is not ok.

i find that sad.

its not the same as bad language or aggression or anti social times, yet people on here have criticised ANY noise.

It's like people can't see there's a difference between silence (which no one is asking for) and blasting loud music and generally making a ridiculous amount of noise

You’re being ridiculous, nobody is saying that people can only use their gardens in silence. You’re turning a request for reasonable consideration into an imaginary ban on ordinary life.

Children playing, babies crying and necessary garden maintenance are normal, largely unavoidable sounds. Even then, most considerate people still think about timing and duration. Gatherings, music and amplified bass are different because their volume is much more controllable.

The question isn’t whether any sound crosses your boundary; it’s whether the noise is excessive, persistent or intrusive enough to prevent somebody else from enjoying their own home or garden.

Why does asking someone to turn music down, or close a door when it is clearly disturbing a neighbour feel “controlling” to you? If a neighbour politely told you that your music was causing them distress, would you make a small adjustment, or would you insist that their only option was to tolerate it? Does their right to enjoy their home matter as much as your right to enjoy yours?

Living alongside other people inevitably requires compromise in both directions. Consideration isn’t miserable or unfriendly; refusing any compromise because you want to make whatever noise you like is.

If you play loud music and live in a property which is not yours you run the risk of being reported to the landlord,HA, council. This could easily be filed and taken into consideration if there are other problems (like arrears).

None of these things is OK.

Take responsibility for your actions.

@SENsupportplease

It just feels like then so many things aren’t allowed
Children playing at all, as predominately they do make noise playing in a garden
so no padding pools, football, trampolines etc

10 footballs in your garden everyday and kids knocking at 7am on Sunday morning for them. Trampolines positioned so the kids can see right into your garden.

Power garden tools

9pm Sunday evening. 8am Sunday morning.

Gatherings, as again chatting, especially lively happy chatting carries

’Shes a fucking cunt, fat slag, her boyfriend slashed the tyres of that bastard who fathered her bastard kids’ shouted really loudly.

Crying babies

which is really distressing when no one is making an effort to comfort them.

Music as mentioned

Bass music all day everyday and night.

It feels really miserable, controlling and unfriendly to say that people can only be in their garden if they are quiet enough for the noise to not travel past their boundary

People aren’t saying that.

It just feels like then so many things aren’t allowed
Children playing at all, as predominately they do make noise playing in a garden
so no padding pools, football, trampolines etc
Power garden tools
Gatherings, as again chatting, especially lively happy chatting carries
Crying babies
Music as mentioned

It feels really miserable, controlling and unfriendly to say that people can only be in their garden if they are quiet enough for the noise to not travel past their boundary

Thats the point really..

People always come back with "its my garden, I'll do as I please", and that's the polite reply.

Theyre not intelligent enough to think that the noise/smoke won't stay within the boundary of their garden and will travel to disturb orhers enjoyment.

Think you can now see clearly that virtually everyone would consider you a nuisance neighbour on this basis - hope you now realise how annoying you must be - I’m sure you’ve been playing music in the garden or indoors with windows open on more than a few occasions for them to complain.