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If it would improve policymaking by 1%, we should gladly double MPs’ salaries.

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GeneralPeter · 24/07/2026 16:15

1% of UK public spending is £14bn p.a.

Doubling MPs’ pay would cost £80m (about a one-hundred-and-seventieth of that).

If it would improve policy by 1% it’s money very well spent indeed.

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GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:48

concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:42

We need a wide range of different inputs yes.

But we do also need the people who understand the mechanics of both national and international politics.

We definitely need both.

Right now though, there is no shortage of MPs who know how a political party or an NGO operates. We need more who know how other things do too.

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Fifthtimelucky · 25/07/2026 07:47

One of the issues surely is that (in the vast majority of cases) in order to be an MP you need to be selected by a political party. The sort of professional people that we might want to encourage to become MPs may be more likely to be independent critical thinkers and less likely to be party loyalists happy to vote blindly with their party whatever the issue.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:45

Thegirlwhowent · 25/07/2026 07:34

I would hope MPs do the job because they want to improve the lives of everyone and society as a whole. If you make pay the main incentive, you will get people who are more interested in making money money and themselves. Do the massive bonuses paid to the water bosses improve the water infrastructure and supply?

I agree you don’t want pay to be the main incentive, or you probably get a different type of distortion. But I don’t want it to be a disincentive to all the sorts of people who TaxDirector mentions.

So, I wouldn’t 10x salaries, but I’d happily 2x them for MPs.

As for water… good example. It’s one of the most highly regulated sectors we have. How many MPs understood or even read the terms on which they legislated for it to operate?

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concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:42

TaxDirector · 25/07/2026 07:36

We need different experience.

The people with "experience in politics" are demonstrably not doing a good job.

We have had among the lowest investment in the industrial world for decades & instead of tackling that with a UK equities ISA or a requirement for public sector works to use UK contractors or a min 10% uk pension holding regulation, we have politicans capping bus fares at £2. Our whizzy startups leave because to go where they can access investment and take their value driving IP with them.

Meanwhile in other countries, there is investment which drives growth, wages grow and they can simply afford the bus fare at £3.

We need a wide range of different inputs yes.

But we do also need the people who understand the mechanics of both national and international politics.

Sarahsduck · 25/07/2026 07:39

Pensions linked to future prosperity. They would be keen to hand over a prosperous country to the next party if their pension was affected.

I do believe many use it as a stepping stone to an advisory career for a multinational. I’ll be shocked if some are not in parliament working to ensure the multinational is looked after - not on the payroll yet, but paving the way to be on the payroll.

Edited to say if not a multinational than maybe another countries aid / investment package.

TaxDirector · 25/07/2026 07:36

concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:31

It is easy to disparage those who've done politics as a career, but other sector experienced but politically inexperienced people can bring other problems.

Politics is a huge ecosystem, you need the think tanks etc.

Working at senior level in any other industry is so different.

We need different experience.

The people with "experience in politics" are demonstrably not doing a good job.

We have had among the lowest investment in the industrial world for decades & instead of tackling that with a UK equities ISA or a requirement for public sector works to use UK contractors or a min 10% uk pension holding regulation, we have politicans capping bus fares at £2. Our whizzy startups leave because to go where they can access investment and take their value driving IP with them.

Meanwhile in other countries, there is investment which drives growth, wages grow and they can simply afford the bus fare at £3.

Thegirlwhowent · 25/07/2026 07:34

I would hope MPs do the job because they want to improve the lives of everyone and society as a whole. If you make pay the main incentive, you will get people who are more interested in making money money and themselves. Do the massive bonuses paid to the water bosses improve the water infrastructure and supply?

luckylavender · 25/07/2026 07:32

BangBangBangBangBang · 24/07/2026 16:41

Yes they are ridiculously underpaid. Treble the salary and then ban second jobs and personal donations.

This

concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:31

TaxDirector · 24/07/2026 23:25

Yes. For a lot of people who've reached a senior role in almost anything - business, education, law, healthcare etc, being an mp is a long hours, inflexible, london based job on a mediocre wage.

Its not going to attract the talent & expertise we need.

I'm a tax specialist with over 20 years experience. My peers and i would probably be genuinely useful, knowledgable & experienced in roles like exchequer secretary or financial secretary to the treasury. We understand HMRC & their international equivalents & work with them regularly.

However, if any of us ran for election & actually succeeded in being voted in as an mp, our wage would be cut in half, for an insecure job in the public eye. We have mortgages & kids, we can't afford it.

So instead, we tend to get a lot of people who've studied PPE and predominantly worked in political spheres - policy think tanks, charities, political parties, trade unions. Often they've worked in something non politics related but only for maybe 5 or 6 years after uni and moved into policy etc before they ever reached a remotely senior level in a non political career.

We need more people with 15 plus years experience outside politics. Former head teachers or university department heads, business leaders, senior nurses, doctors. People who've run divisions in a pharma company or major engineering contractor. People who've overseen a large building site or steel works, tradespeople who've built up business & created jobs, senior military & police.

It is easy to disparage those who've done politics as a career, but other sector experienced but politically inexperienced people can bring other problems.

Politics is a huge ecosystem, you need the think tanks etc.

Working at senior level in any other industry is so different.

TaxDirector · 25/07/2026 07:30

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 07:17

MPs are elected by the population not chosen for their expertise in any particular field, they are amateurs. You are asking Bob next door to do your building work, which he may or may not be any good at.

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No, you are putting out an open call for people to bid to do your roof work, with an offer salary on it thats too low to attract any experienced roofers. So bob next door who loves DIY applies, and in the absence of any competition from actual roofers, he appears to be the better bet vs the racist old guy who's usually 3 pints deep at the bowls club and is the only other person to go for the job.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:28

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 07:17

MPs are elected by the population not chosen for their expertise in any particular field, they are amateurs. You are asking Bob next door to do your building work, which he may or may not be any good at.

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No. You are asking Bob next door to choose the builder.

If there are five builder candidates and they are all experienced and capable, Bob has a much better chance of picking a good one.

If they are five people who showed up when you offered half the money an experienced builder can earn, Bob’s chances of picking a good one go down a lot.

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GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:24

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 24/07/2026 23:01

If they increase every other skilled public servant’s wages, or reverse the ridiculous mismatch between wages and cost of living that’s built up over the last 25 years now, then yes. Otherwise no. They should practice what they preach. The rest of the public sector has had to do more with less and so should they.

They shouldn’t have second jobs though, any more than the rest of us do.

You are saying that if they got better results (eg cost of living) then you’d support it?

I think it’s worth a try.

With most other public sector roles, if you improve work quality by 1%, the effect is fairly small because 1% is a small amount and there’s a natural limit to how many people one person affects in their job.

With national policy, a 1% improvement in how our economy or public services are run is massive. In money terms, £14bn. If you are looking for ways to improve public services, £14bn goes a decent way.

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concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:24

I agree they are underpaid, and this creates problems.
They should receive a higher salary plus a housing/travel allowance for those out of range of Westminster, this could be zoned.

Overhaul expenses.
Second jobs permitted but always declared.
Personal donations never permitted.
Political donations to e.g. leadership campaigns, party funds are standard and should continue but with revised rules.

MidnightPatrol · 25/07/2026 07:18

Waheymum · 24/07/2026 17:30

I think mps are on a high salary though. Look at teachers and nurses in comparison.

It’s a good salary but not very competitive if you consider OP’s question of ‘how do we attract the best talent for the role’.

You can make a lot more in finance / consulting / law / tech etc - how do you get that talent working as MPs, when they can make double that salary (or more) elsewhere.

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 07:17

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:14

Well, let’s say you want a builder who will make good decisions.

A lot of building jobs in the neighbourhood are paying £100 (or whatever) for experienced roofers to work in good conditions.

You decide you will offer £50, but will also ensure a quite hostile work environment where your roofer’s competence and integrity are constantly questioned by passers by.

On which worksite are you likely to find the best roofers and the best decisions being made?

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MPs are elected by the population not chosen for their expertise in any particular field, they are amateurs. You are asking Bob next door to do your building work, which he may or may not be any good at.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:17

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 07:13

Why would it make any difference if it's the same people making the decisions? It won't improve their IQ or level of common sense.

Well it won’t be the same people. You will attract a different mix.

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GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:14

ThePeppyOpalScroller · 24/07/2026 22:44

How would more pay make them them make better decisions?

Well, let’s say you want a builder who will make good decisions.

A lot of building jobs in the neighbourhood are paying £100 (or whatever) for experienced roofers to work in good conditions.

You decide you will offer £50, but will also ensure a quite hostile work environment where your roofer’s competence and integrity are constantly questioned by passers by.

On which worksite are you likely to find the best roofers and the best decisions being made?

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chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 07:13

Why would it make any difference if it's the same people making the decisions? It won't improve their IQ or level of common sense.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:09

FrippEnos · 24/07/2026 22:29

If you think the logic doesn’t hold, would you support halving MPs’ salaries?

That's a very strange take on something that I have never mentioned.

Just like you haven't mentioned how doubling the money that MPs take home will stop the nepotism and old boy network from selecting the same dross that we have now.

you haven't mentioned how doubling the money that MPs take home will stop the nepotism and old boy network from selecting the same dross that we have now

I have explained. If you don’t think it’s plausible then you’re welcome to remain unconvinced. The reason I asked if you would support halving pay is that what you are doubting is whether pay affects the level of talent a job can attract. I was curious what your intuition was when the direction was reversed. Or take something more day to day. If you want to get your kitchen redone but you want to pay half the rate that others do, are you likely to get the same range of quality tradespeople offering to do the work?

On old boys network, here’s a parallel. The finance sector was very old-boy network until about the 1980s. Then deregulation opened the field up and brought in lots of new types of people. More money, fewer barriers, more competition. You don’t now get a job at Goldman Sachs because you went to the right school. The competition is too fierce for that.

In politics now, there is a small circle of people who tend to become MPs. In Labour, it’s the NGO class and Spads. That’s your old boy network.

One reason is that MPs salaries compare reasonably to what you might earn in those sectors, but not with salaries at senior levels in many other sectors. It’s a useful way to keep unwelcome competition out.

On the right, too, if you are independently wealthy and want to be in politics, it’s quite helpful that the salaries mean you won’t be facing competition from those who can’t afford to take the pay cut.

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TaxDirector · 24/07/2026 23:26

ThePeppyOpalScroller · 24/07/2026 22:44

How would more pay make them them make better decisions?

It would attract smarter,more capable politicians with more diverse experience.

TaxDirector · 24/07/2026 23:25

Yes. For a lot of people who've reached a senior role in almost anything - business, education, law, healthcare etc, being an mp is a long hours, inflexible, london based job on a mediocre wage.

Its not going to attract the talent & expertise we need.

I'm a tax specialist with over 20 years experience. My peers and i would probably be genuinely useful, knowledgable & experienced in roles like exchequer secretary or financial secretary to the treasury. We understand HMRC & their international equivalents & work with them regularly.

However, if any of us ran for election & actually succeeded in being voted in as an mp, our wage would be cut in half, for an insecure job in the public eye. We have mortgages & kids, we can't afford it.

So instead, we tend to get a lot of people who've studied PPE and predominantly worked in political spheres - policy think tanks, charities, political parties, trade unions. Often they've worked in something non politics related but only for maybe 5 or 6 years after uni and moved into policy etc before they ever reached a remotely senior level in a non political career.

We need more people with 15 plus years experience outside politics. Former head teachers or university department heads, business leaders, senior nurses, doctors. People who've run divisions in a pharma company or major engineering contractor. People who've overseen a large building site or steel works, tradespeople who've built up business & created jobs, senior military & police.

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 24/07/2026 23:01

If they increase every other skilled public servant’s wages, or reverse the ridiculous mismatch between wages and cost of living that’s built up over the last 25 years now, then yes. Otherwise no. They should practice what they preach. The rest of the public sector has had to do more with less and so should they.

They shouldn’t have second jobs though, any more than the rest of us do.

ThePeppyOpalScroller · 24/07/2026 22:44

GeneralPeter · 24/07/2026 16:15

1% of UK public spending is £14bn p.a.

Doubling MPs’ pay would cost £80m (about a one-hundred-and-seventieth of that).

If it would improve policy by 1% it’s money very well spent indeed.

How would more pay make them them make better decisions?

FrippEnos · 24/07/2026 22:29

GeneralPeter · 24/07/2026 18:22

I’m not going to measure their abilities. I’m going to double pay so that more strong candidates apply.

The party selectorate will still exist. But they will have better material to work with, with more interest in their role, and more competition from the other parties too.

If you think the logic doesn’t hold, would you support halving MPs’ salaries?

If you think the logic doesn’t hold, would you support halving MPs’ salaries?

That's a very strange take on something that I have never mentioned.

Just like you haven't mentioned how doubling the money that MPs take home will stop the nepotism and old boy network from selecting the same dross that we have now.

GeneralPeter · 24/07/2026 18:22

FrippEnos · 24/07/2026 18:17

You don't know how many MPs are not lazy, self serving, fuckwits because the system that we have is not transparent enough.

Again how are you going to measure there abilities?

And given the cureent system that we have and that there are so many constituancies that are majority party held, how will you stop them form getting back in?

I’m not going to measure their abilities. I’m going to double pay so that more strong candidates apply.

The party selectorate will still exist. But they will have better material to work with, with more interest in their role, and more competition from the other parties too.

If you think the logic doesn’t hold, would you support halving MPs’ salaries?

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