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If it would improve policymaking by 1%, we should gladly double MPs’ salaries.

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GeneralPeter · 24/07/2026 16:15

1% of UK public spending is £14bn p.a.

Doubling MPs’ pay would cost £80m (about a one-hundred-and-seventieth of that).

If it would improve policy by 1% it’s money very well spent indeed.

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GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 11:47

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 11:16

Even if it did, which I rather doubt, how are you going to ensure such people get elected? Are you going to restrict who can stand for election? Must have a current job paying at least £100,000 or a further degree in particular specialist subjects? Introduce some pre-selection process so that only the 'right' people are allowed to stand for election? Would that still be a true democracy? You are also effectively adding a minimum age limit, no one starts at the top of their fields, people under 40 would be rare as hen's teeth. And you are ruling out many women whose careers are interrupted by having children.

But what's wrong with an actual nurse or a prison guard or a junior academic, etc, etc.

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It’s fine that we disagree but I think you know my proposal by now, and how I think it would work.

No, I’m not going to introduce a new pre-selection process or ban junior people or any of the things you raise, so you are arguing against an invented position.

Because there are so few legitimate, democratic ways to screen for competence, I’m trying to remove one barrier to people entering the selection pool.

I don’t think that raising MP salaries would harm women’s prospects, though I guess it’s possible. But if you truly think that’s a reason to oppose higher pay: would you support lowering MP salaries so that there is less competition against women who have taken time out? I don’t think that particularly helps or values women either.

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chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 11:16

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 09:34

No. But being a tax expert, a prison governor, a successful business owner, an economist, competition law expert, a senior academic, a leader in the arts, a head of nursing, an experienced engineer, etc etc etc will.

Even if it did, which I rather doubt, how are you going to ensure such people get elected? Are you going to restrict who can stand for election? Must have a current job paying at least £100,000 or a further degree in particular specialist subjects? Introduce some pre-selection process so that only the 'right' people are allowed to stand for election? Would that still be a true democracy? You are also effectively adding a minimum age limit, no one starts at the top of their fields, people under 40 would be rare as hen's teeth. And you are ruling out many women whose careers are interrupted by having children.

But what's wrong with an actual nurse or a prison guard or a junior academic, etc, etc.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 09:34

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 09:20

Why would it? Anyone can stand or be elected there is no standard you have to reach. More people might stand, in the hope of getting a hefty salary if they win, but wanting or expecting a big salary doesn't necessarily make you any better at making decisions about the way the country is run.

No. But being a tax expert, a prison governor, a successful business owner, an economist, competition law expert, a senior academic, a leader in the arts, a head of nursing, an experienced engineer, etc etc etc will.

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GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 09:26

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 09:03

Perhaps it should be seen as dedicating yourself to the people, you get a stipend and all expenses and a home in your constituency paid for. That would actually look pretty good to a lot of people in ordinary jobs and struggling to survive.

Or if you stand it on it's head, if you make it really lucrative to be an MP who would that attract? People who want to make a lot of money doing as little as possible, the smarmy sales people who can be all things to all people to get elected, the ones who have failed to reach the heights in business, the ones who are really successful would not be tempted by doubling the salary and would they be any good at running a government department? I just don't see the point of doubling their salary in the hope that will have some magical effect.

Keeping people in specific roles so they actually get to understand a particular area of government, rather than constant re-shuffles would be good.

It’s not magic. Your own answers show you see the link between the package and who it attracts.

I agree that reducing MP pay to a stipend plus house (the house bit is a bit tricky to analyse as some MPs get a house and some don’t at the moment) would be attractive to many people struggling to survive.

I just think that attracting mainly those who are struggling to survive plus those who are already wealthy would not improve policymaking.

I also agree that having longer ministerial appointments would help. But one argument for longer appointments is that ministers need time to understand their brief. I think if we had more people with deep professional expertise in parliament across many domains, we’d help with that issue too.

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OccasionalHope · 25/07/2026 09:24

Twice in my memory MPs have voted to double their salaries. Did it improve anything? I think not.

OccasionalHope · 25/07/2026 09:23

But it wouldn't OP.

On second jobs - how about not banning them but making the MP salary means tested so they get no actual benefit from side jobs? Obv only works if the second jobs add up to less.

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 09:20

RoundedRobin · 25/07/2026 08:51

The OP isn't suggesting that current MPs will magically make better decisions if they're paid more. They're saying that the role will attract a higher calibre of person in future if pay is better.

Why would it? Anyone can stand or be elected there is no standard you have to reach. More people might stand, in the hope of getting a hefty salary if they win, but wanting or expecting a big salary doesn't necessarily make you any better at making decisions about the way the country is run.

MushMonster · 25/07/2026 09:19

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 08:22

I don’t think this works. Your approach is “the floggings will continue until morale improves”.

Reducing MPs’ earnings still further and subjecting them to even greater scrutiny isn’t going to improve either the mix or performance of MPs

You are right that we need to make being an MP more affordable for a wide range of people. But the main personal cost isn’t campaign expenses, which are capped and mainly paid by parties. It’s foregone earnings for many people.

Paying them well does not work. It is not working.

Let those driven by money exit. You will be left with actual politicians, instead of those filling up their own pockets. Those who can actually do politics would be rewarded once the wannabes leg it.

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 09:03

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 08:48

Why don’t we save money then, and halve MP salaries? Actually, quartering them would save more money.

Bob chooses ultimately, and he doesn’t know the difference. So it won’t affect who we get in parliament at all.

Perhaps it should be seen as dedicating yourself to the people, you get a stipend and all expenses and a home in your constituency paid for. That would actually look pretty good to a lot of people in ordinary jobs and struggling to survive.

Or if you stand it on it's head, if you make it really lucrative to be an MP who would that attract? People who want to make a lot of money doing as little as possible, the smarmy sales people who can be all things to all people to get elected, the ones who have failed to reach the heights in business, the ones who are really successful would not be tempted by doubling the salary and would they be any good at running a government department? I just don't see the point of doubling their salary in the hope that will have some magical effect.

Keeping people in specific roles so they actually get to understand a particular area of government, rather than constant re-shuffles would be good.

RoundedRobin · 25/07/2026 08:51

ThePeppyOpalScroller · 24/07/2026 22:44

How would more pay make them them make better decisions?

The OP isn't suggesting that current MPs will magically make better decisions if they're paid more. They're saying that the role will attract a higher calibre of person in future if pay is better.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 08:48

chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 08:44

And is Bob next door an expert in builders? Does he know what your preferences are? What your budget is? Does he just pick the cheapest one? Or his mate down the road who gives him a bit off the top? Is he trustworthy?

Five random people stand in an election and a random one of the five get picked to be an MP (rich, poor, clever, stupid, principled or not) and those five have mainly been selected by political parties to represent the principles (if any) of the parties, maybe an odd independent. If you are lucky they stay in parliament long enough, and in one job long enough, that they become faintly competent, often they never do. Paying more would change none of that.

Why don’t we save money then, and halve MP salaries? Actually, quartering them would save more money.

Bob chooses ultimately, and he doesn’t know the difference. So it won’t affect who we get in parliament at all.

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chirrupybird · 25/07/2026 08:44

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:28

No. You are asking Bob next door to choose the builder.

If there are five builder candidates and they are all experienced and capable, Bob has a much better chance of picking a good one.

If they are five people who showed up when you offered half the money an experienced builder can earn, Bob’s chances of picking a good one go down a lot.

And is Bob next door an expert in builders? Does he know what your preferences are? What your budget is? Does he just pick the cheapest one? Or his mate down the road who gives him a bit off the top? Is he trustworthy?

Five random people stand in an election and a random one of the five get picked to be an MP (rich, poor, clever, stupid, principled or not) and those five have mainly been selected by political parties to represent the principles (if any) of the parties, maybe an odd independent. If you are lucky they stay in parliament long enough, and in one job long enough, that they become faintly competent, often they never do. Paying more would change none of that.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 08:26

Funkypigeons · 25/07/2026 08:15

The problem with policy is that you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time. So the concept of "improving" policy isn't a strong one and definitely not paying MPs more than their present salaries for a perceived improvement.

That doesn’t follow.

There are different views on policy but there is also good and bad policy, good and bad scrutiny, etc.

Like if you get an interior designer. There is taste involved, but you’ll generally get better outcomes if you hire a professional than someone with no experience who is giving it their best go.

Our MPs make law on all sorts of subjects. We want people with deep experience in all those areas.

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GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 08:22

MushMonster · 25/07/2026 08:06

I think they first need to prove that they are competent, able and actually interested in doing the job properly. I am hoping that Burham manages what the other six were fully unable to do: restore the trust of the UK public in their Parliament. It will not be easy. It is at a record low.
I would ban second jobs, gifts and any breach of their code, including meeting and following national or foreign companies or political organisations without full on disclosure and recording. All of them. They would get fired if they do not attend Parliament often enough, if they do not reply to the queries from their constituents. Also, regarding donations... we have to do something about that, because it easily becomes a way of bribery. We want them to be engaged, motivated, competent and free of strings to any other than the interests of UK population. Not to the interests of the local developer, or a Russian or American or whatever billionaire.
Also, to hell with the for life pensions and peerage. They have not deserved them in the near past. See Liz Truss. They will have to earn that, by proving that they can do the job.
Once upon a time in history there was a huge fight to separate the power of the Church from policy making. I think we are at the point where we would have to do the same to separate money from political power.
If presenting yourself as a candidate for MP did not cost a fortune that our local passionate and reliable guy highly interested in politics cannot afford, then we would have real politicians getting into Parliament, to do real politics. Instead of clowns. Why does a campaign cost circa a million pounds? We need to get a grip on this or we will just get wannabees instead of actual politicians.

I don’t think this works. Your approach is “the floggings will continue until morale improves”.

Reducing MPs’ earnings still further and subjecting them to even greater scrutiny isn’t going to improve either the mix or performance of MPs

You are right that we need to make being an MP more affordable for a wide range of people. But the main personal cost isn’t campaign expenses, which are capped and mainly paid by parties. It’s foregone earnings for many people.

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Funkypigeons · 25/07/2026 08:15

The problem with policy is that you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time. So the concept of "improving" policy isn't a strong one and definitely not paying MPs more than their present salaries for a perceived improvement.

mentalblank · 25/07/2026 08:11

It could even make sense to explicitly set MPs' pay as a percentage of government spending, which would a) show how little it is, b) encourage them to grow the pie...

MushMonster · 25/07/2026 08:06

I think they first need to prove that they are competent, able and actually interested in doing the job properly. I am hoping that Burham manages what the other six were fully unable to do: restore the trust of the UK public in their Parliament. It will not be easy. It is at a record low.
I would ban second jobs, gifts and any breach of their code, including meeting and following national or foreign companies or political organisations without full on disclosure and recording. All of them. They would get fired if they do not attend Parliament often enough, if they do not reply to the queries from their constituents. Also, regarding donations... we have to do something about that, because it easily becomes a way of bribery. We want them to be engaged, motivated, competent and free of strings to any other than the interests of UK population. Not to the interests of the local developer, or a Russian or American or whatever billionaire.
Also, to hell with the for life pensions and peerage. They have not deserved them in the near past. See Liz Truss. They will have to earn that, by proving that they can do the job.
Once upon a time in history there was a huge fight to separate the power of the Church from policy making. I think we are at the point where we would have to do the same to separate money from political power.
If presenting yourself as a candidate for MP did not cost a fortune that our local passionate and reliable guy highly interested in politics cannot afford, then we would have real politicians getting into Parliament, to do real politics. Instead of clowns. Why does a campaign cost circa a million pounds? We need to get a grip on this or we will just get wannabees instead of actual politicians.

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 08:05

Binnyforthewin · 25/07/2026 08:00

I completely agree we set a salary that will only attract mediocre people - i think we can all see that in the performance of our MPs. Personally I'd link the salary of a typical MP to their salary for the past 5 years prior to becoming an MP. Then anyone could stand to be MP without it having a negative impact on their earnings and equality no one would stand to just to get a big pay increase.

I don't really think MPs should have second jobs.

There’s an obvious unfairness, but interestingly I think reservists in the military are paid like this (up to a cap).

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GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 08:03

concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:53

I am absolutely happy with a wider range of people becoming MPs, that's to be encouraged.

How would this change the party political system, the policy ecosystem, and how policies get developed?

Well it’s only one bit, obviously. But the three main routes I see: I) better options for candidate selection (ie we’re not tearing down the parties, we’re giving them better material to work with, 2) better ministers, becuase there’s a much stronger bench to choose from, and 3) better committee scrutiny.

Imagine if we had more real experts on the committees. A minister who knows they are going to be grilled by a Dan Neidle type on tax is going to govern and prepare differently from one who knows they are facing amateurs.

Likewise a minister who is going to face people who have run a prison or police force, as well as people who spent their twenties writing policy memos about them.

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Binnyforthewin · 25/07/2026 08:00

I completely agree we set a salary that will only attract mediocre people - i think we can all see that in the performance of our MPs. Personally I'd link the salary of a typical MP to their salary for the past 5 years prior to becoming an MP. Then anyone could stand to be MP without it having a negative impact on their earnings and equality no one would stand to just to get a big pay increase.

I don't really think MPs should have second jobs.

mentalblank · 25/07/2026 07:57

I agree - also, their salaries should be set by an external body and they shouldn't get to vote on them. It's ridiculous that right now you can get paid more as a local council executive than an MP. Something like pegging the salary to 50% of the salary of the average FTSE 250 CEO seems about right to me (would be more than £500k).

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:54

Sarahsduck · 25/07/2026 07:39

Pensions linked to future prosperity. They would be keen to hand over a prosperous country to the next party if their pension was affected.

I do believe many use it as a stepping stone to an advisory career for a multinational. I’ll be shocked if some are not in parliament working to ensure the multinational is looked after - not on the payroll yet, but paving the way to be on the payroll.

Edited to say if not a multinational than maybe another countries aid / investment package.

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Just making MPs and public sector pensions the normal type linked to investment growth would help (ie defined contribution).

I’d also give local government a stake in growth by allowing them to keep more of the tax raised locally, and allow them to benefit from planning approvals. Right now the incentives are set up all wrong.

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concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:53

GeneralPeter · 25/07/2026 07:48

We definitely need both.

Right now though, there is no shortage of MPs who know how a political party or an NGO operates. We need more who know how other things do too.

I am absolutely happy with a wider range of people becoming MPs, that's to be encouraged.

How would this change the party political system, the policy ecosystem, and how policies get developed?

concertinacornflake · 25/07/2026 07:50

Sarahsduck · 25/07/2026 07:39

Pensions linked to future prosperity. They would be keen to hand over a prosperous country to the next party if their pension was affected.

I do believe many use it as a stepping stone to an advisory career for a multinational. I’ll be shocked if some are not in parliament working to ensure the multinational is looked after - not on the payroll yet, but paving the way to be on the payroll.

Edited to say if not a multinational than maybe another countries aid / investment package.

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You couldn't do that, obviously, as the decisions of the governing party are not the responsibility of the opposition.

Plus when a war starts, or there's a global economic issue, or the problem is linked to an old decision (Brexit!) the (current) MPs aren't to blame.

HRTQueen · 25/07/2026 07:48

I agree with doubling the MP’s wage but along with they their expenses have to be better scrutinised and they should not be allowed to have second jobs/roles in companies. If living in a certain radius to London why do they need a second home for example?

Also I am sick of seeing/hearing MP’s on the tv rounds/radio/podcasts and while doing all this writing books and promoting the book.

Being an MP is an honour and a full time job or it should be but so many seem to have so much time of their hands so their should be limits to this

basically it’s a role that should have a lot of boundaries around it not a role as a stepping stone to making money

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