The public doesn't hate Net Zero as much as RW politicians insist they do

@justasking111 yes I agree. The code for sustainable homes in 2006 included things like considering solar orientation to avoid heat gain and designing in passive ventilation. I'd love some passive ventilation right about now!

What's that got to do with net zero though?

South Africa has huge problems with corruption and as a result powerplants which don't do what they are meant to. It's nothing to do with renewable energy targets. The only link is that the unreliability of the power grid has increased the use of generators (very polluting, noisy, expensive) and increasingly stand alone renewable energy like solar powered lights and solar panels.

@Echobelly Again, just taking a view based on social media isnt proof of what everybody thinks. Its a vast and complicated subject.

I think as a theoretical concept people are largely supportive. They're not daft, they can see what's happening to the world. However, every resolve has a price, and a lot of people are genuinely not in the position to pay it. All they can see is the personal cost to them of paying this charge or that, these adaptations, those penalties, while knowing they're a drop in the ocean compared to the damage caused by the rich and powerful.

Was talking to some architects recently. It's looking like the present planning and design of buildings will be consigned to the bin in parts of Europe including the UK because of climate change. Underfloor heating will be off the table, large areas of glass. We'll be looking at ways to avoid getting too hot.

China isn’t denying climate change. It is embracing the industrial and economic opportunities it presents but using fossil fuels to do so quickly. That’s what we should be doing instead of crippling ourselves with high energy prices along the way. We are virtue signalling, China isn’t. We’ll both get to the same destination in the end.

So if it's all about money...

Any of you deniers to explain which parts of the economy are growing the fastest in the UK?

Or the annual or lifetime costs of electric motor vehicles compared to fossil fuelled ones?

Or the efficiency of a heat pump compared to a gas boiler?

Or the cost to economy or the NHS of deaths from air pollution? Or excess heat?

The cost of land, infrastructure and buildings damaged by extreme heat including wildfires?

Etc etc

Looking forward to an evidence base for your wild claims of net zero being "too expensive".

Its more the hypocrisy that gets people. Sustainability doesn't seem to be relevant when it comes to food production.

I have environmental qualifications and DH works in sustainability and I hate it. I think it’s unbelievably stupid to buy LPG with 10% of the energy being used to convert the gas to liquid for transportation while enriching regimes with dubious human rights just so we can pat ourselves on the back. To cut our emissions partly through the “dash for gas” and partly through deindustrialisatipn and then buy loads of stuff from countries who make things cheaper using much dirtier power.

it’s such a colonialism view to think that other countries are admiring us for this.

Oil is a base ingredient in plastics, drugs,
fertiiliser. We don’t just use it for energy.

it’s much more sensible to admit we
need it at the moment as part of our mix and use our own sources to help us to increase the share of renewables in the mix.

We need to have a proper organised process where homes are upgraded in the most appropriate ways possible for their
building type not the adhoc nonsense at the moment, otherwise it’s hard to take any of it seriously.

As @lazyarse123 said the amount we contribute to emissions is absolutely tiny compared to the amount of money it costs us

How can you speak for everyone?How can you possibly know what most people think ?

Get on with it, I say. I remember the code for sustainable homes, I think it was about 2006? It set out a road map for all new build homes to be carbon neutral and adapted to future climates by 2016, I think! Got scrapped by conservatives in about 2015, if I'm remembering correctly. Idiots. Cheaper bills and we'd have been cooler in this heat wave! I don't think businesses eg house builders always want less regulation, what they want is certainty so they can cost things in appropriately.

No, people are generally keen on sustainability. What they don’t like is the pantomime of virtuously not mining our coal or oil, while paying through the nose to import oil from other countries. Senseless.

The pantomime of saving water in our homes, while vast amounts is wasted in leakage from pipes.

People can do self denial and they can do hardship. They won’t do it in the face of other countries or individuals getting rich ignoring the issue.

My SA friend who's lived here for 20 years. Said wait till the rolling power cuts start.

I think people hate the fact that they are struggling to pay ever-increasing bills while knowing that our changes will make minimal impact as we produce very low emissions anyway
If the economy was booming and we all felt prosperous it would be a good virtue project but not while so many are struggling
I think you are more out of touch than the "RW politicians" are!

I hate it. Mostly because the UK produces less than 1% of global emissions and it's costing billions which would be better spent on getting the country back on it's feet.
While America and China are denying climate change anything we do will not make a difference in the long run.