The public doesn't hate Net Zero as much as RW politicians insist they do

Why are being being so accusatory? It brings down the tone of what is a very interesting thread.

I love it. However, I don't think the tax payer should be paying for decarbonisation of industries such as cement production when viable alternatives exist. Schemes like Peak Cluster and the accompanying potential to import CO2 from the rest of Europe are hugely concerning.

As has been shown repeatedly, more drilling won't bring down energy prices. So what's your real agenda?

Renewables are much better for the planet, so I'm really struggling to understand, apart from a pittance in tax revenue that will go towards tax cuts for the rich, how w much are you making from fossil fuels? It must be that.

You had a farage style "gift" right? You work for shell?

BESS costs millions to develop and they have no incentive to do this because we pay them to turn off. To store all the excess (especially in Scotland) would cost be unfathomable. There's simply not enough.

I want the market to decide as well. We can stop these renewable subsidies and let them have to face the wholesale price. How is the market going to "break the link". Please educate me.

What agenda? I want energy to be cheap. I want bills to fall. Why are your knickers in a twist?

It's expensive as I've said before because it's tied to the most expensive energy source. Which bit of that do you refuse to get?

We are effectively propping up and old, dirty, obsolete technology. Let the market decide, cut the link, Bosch, simple.

But you have an agenda you refuse to share, why do you want the dirtiest most expensive energy?

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Look at this thread

You think people would only support net zero by choice if there is a direct benefit to themselves?

I've been enjoying the heat. If no net zero means warmer summers and better English wine bring it on.

You can use both

Why don't they just build out the batteries to mitigate this and store the energy?

Again you can have a mix of both, like they do in Texas where energy is super cheap. Here our energy is incredibly expensive and hinders industry.

Please stop with the emotive insults. You aren't getting anywhere and instead you sound just really stupid.

Fossil fuels cost us billions.

Renewables are the key to energy sovereignty. It’s far more powerful than CO2 emissions.

Write to your MP, mine knows my views.

It's really simple, most of them are good at replying too.

Have you heard of batteries?

It took some subsidies to get us where we are, but now we have the opportunity for cheaper cleaner renewable energy, why would you throw that away for dirty, expensive fuel that may run out one day and keeps us dependent on Putin or worse, Norway!

When the same old tired arguments come out in favour of fossil fuels I always suspect your real motives, why wouldn't you want cheaper fuel bills and a cleaner planet? I know why Nigel doesn't want it, he's taken another bribe, but what's your real motive? You invested heavily in BP and Shell?

The original topic title was "The public doesn't hate net zero as much as RW politicians think they do".

Well if RW politicians have got it wrong then surely they don't get elected as no one will want their policies that roll back from net zero. Surely something to be happy about if you dislike the RW.

As it is I see a significant fraction of the parties are currently supporting some rollback from net zero. The Tories, Labour are in a bit of a flux at the moment but they are considering allowing Rosebank and Jackdaw I think. Reform we know about. SNP are talking about allowing Rosebank and Jackdaw.

The lib dems I don't know. Round my way they are opposing new renewables installation to jump on the NIMBY bandwagon, yet the main party seem to be pro it. The greens we probably know what they think.

So the vast majority of political parties seem to be heading towards some sort of rollback of our commitments to net zero presumably on the back of them believing that's what the public want.

So either pretty much all those parties from both the right and left of the political spectrum are wrong about what the public want. Or the public do indeed seem to want some sort of roll back from net zero.

Yep. I don't think there's even a cost effective way to decarbonise aviation. Electric planes don't work. SAF is too expensive and can't ever replace proper jet fuel.

DH also needs to fly for work. So yeah we'll fly as much as we want.

That’s a selfish and ignorant statement. Sustainable energy is all well and good as long as it doesn’t affect your holiday plans then.

Yeah, I'm not sure pay if you want it really works for a system where we either all benefit from it or no one does. So unless there's going to be bubbles of clean air descending around the people who've paid...back to the drawing board.

You explain it perfectly

people also dislike the hypocrisy - Burnham took a private jet from Glasgow to Manchester for his 1 day a week at his second office there. Unnecessary and wasteful.

Are they now really?

Why not use a nearby source

Don’t be ridiculous. They are cheaper because they’re cheaper to the consumer. How else do you want it dressed up?

It's like arguing with someone .... who obviously doesn't pay their own energy bill. Pointless.

Again. What do you know? If there's more licenses available issue them and let the companies extract. No need to hinder and restrict, just maximise output.

It’s ridiculous. We are a very small country and certainly not producing what many’s others do

net zero is expensive no longer gives choice and unachievable

I do t want an electric car from 203o the infrastructure is not there and in fact they are not as good for the environment as people think

i don’t want air source heat pumps instead of my gas central heating my house just isn’t suitable

i don’t want farming land covered with solar panels rather than being used to grow food. And they are not a an environmental friendly as people think. Those panels don’t last forever and have to replaced

i don’t want wind turbines making noise and causing havoc to wildlife. By all means have wind farms out at sea but not inland

Until the government decides all new houses get solar panels and all business buildings especially new ones have solar panels I am just not interested

i want lights on and heat on. To be able to drive a car where I need and when without stopping to charge. Selfish probably but I am happy if they start using North Sea oil again. Then we won’t be dependant on others

I am.going to take a wild guess and say that you have never worked in the oil and gas industry or the energy sector more generally...
Which is fine. But if you attack other people based on your own misconceptions of the world you will end up making it very obvious you don't know what you are talking about