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AIBU to consider leaving our knitting group over its new policy?

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Solentseeker · 22/07/2026 22:43

I’m in a women’s knitting group. It started as just a group of friends and extended from there. We meet twice weekly in an hall that has to be booked and paid for and go on trips etc so it has become more formal over time and has a treasurer, secretary, social secretary etc. I and two other friends were founder members but we take a back seat in the organisation now. We attract lots of younger members (30-somethings!) which is great. I (early 60s) love socialising with people, hearing their views etc.

The new chairman (woman) has recently decided that we should announce that we are ‘trans friendly’ and try to attract trans women and non-binary people. Apart from the fact that I don’t know what non-binary people are other than people who don’t sign up to gender stereotypes (most of the women currently in the group don’t go in for nails / make up / fake tan etc anyway so what’s the difference?) I don’t want men in the group, trans identifying or otherwise. I’ve been sexually assaulted a few times in my lifetime, as has another of the founder members. We’ve also always appreciated having a space away from the male gaze and voice, where women can have their voice centre stage for once. I know a number of the current members are also extremely concerned about this new push and would feel pushed out too if any men join.

I have no desire to ‘out’ myself as a ‘TERF’ by complaining or pushing back as it would in their eyes make me a ‘bad’ person and I always try to do good by everyone. I just disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that men should be treated as women because they say so. It seems so seething misogynistic. I’m deeply sad about the whole situation and think I’m going to have to leave the club, because the current chairman seems to stand for things that I don’t. I appreciate women’s rights and they don’t seem to give a fig. What do politics have to do with knitting? Do I just leave? Do I wait and see whether any men try to join before leaving? I can’t be arsed to fight back even though I would have a LOT of (currently silent) supporters.

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NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:25

oviraptor21 · 22/07/2026 23:22

That's a false equivalence. A better example would be a black or BAME hiking group which wants to allow white people to join. That would fundamentally change the ethos of the group which is to support black/BAME people specifically.
OP's knitting group was set up for women and we all know that introducing men to pretty much any social situation means they will come to dominate, regardless of how they identify. As PP has suggested, many organisations of this type have a constitution so hopefully any change to the original objectives would need to be put to a vote at an AGM or EGM.

I don’t agree it’s a false equivalence. Suicide is a serious medical issue. A social group designed to encourage minority immigrants to learn local activities is nothing like that.

Mapletree1985 · 22/07/2026 23:25

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:01

I don’t understand why a hobby group like knitting has to be reserved for one sex only. This is no different from golf clubs refusing to admit women because of a long history of them being men’s clubs. I happen to have known several men who could knit, hand embroider, cross stitch and crochet. Who do you think knitted fish nets and designed fisherman jumpers of Scotland? Men.

Sorry, I think you are being unreasonable to exclude any human being from the hobby of knitting due to their sex.

She's not excluding anyone from the hobby of knitting. How could she even do that? Does OP claim the power to rule on who is and is not allowed knit? Lol, no. She's just excluding men from one group for women that developed from the friendship of a couple of women. Plenty of other knitting groups around for those looking for a more inclusive group.

Whattheflush · 22/07/2026 23:24

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:04

Why should there be a vote? Imagine white people getting to vote on whether Black people can join their book club. This is no different. Some values are nonnegotiable and can’t be left to mob rule.

A) not the same thing WHATSOEVER

B) if some things are non negotiable, you're implying that there's no circumstance in which women can push back here. By your logic, men could have access to whatever single-sex space they chose because we can't have mob rule by saying actually there's a line.

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:23

orangehandles · 22/07/2026 23:10

There is a committee and a constitution. That means that there is a set procedure for decision-making which should be followed.

Except it doesn’t apply when it comes to basic human rights laid down English Law. No committee can make a decision contrary to the laws of the country.

Gowlett · 22/07/2026 23:22

Why does she want to attract these members?

Fair enough if a trans person just joins anyway.

oviraptor21 · 22/07/2026 23:22

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:04

Why should there be a vote? Imagine white people getting to vote on whether Black people can join their book club. This is no different. Some values are nonnegotiable and can’t be left to mob rule.

That's a false equivalence. A better example would be a black or BAME hiking group which wants to allow white people to join. That would fundamentally change the ethos of the group which is to support black/BAME people specifically.
OP's knitting group was set up for women and we all know that introducing men to pretty much any social situation means they will come to dominate, regardless of how they identify. As PP has suggested, many organisations of this type have a constitution so hopefully any change to the original objectives would need to be put to a vote at an AGM or EGM.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/07/2026 23:22

LagerLady · 22/07/2026 23:19

My grandad was an ace knitter. He was in the trenches in WW1. He knitted socks, and he traded his socks for baccy. Knitting is knitting.

😆 🤣

5foot5 · 22/07/2026 23:22

I think if she wants to open it up to people who aren't women then it's not a question of it being "trans-friendly" it's just changing it from being a "women's knitting group" to being a "knitting group".

Maybe ask if this is the intention and see if people are happy that anyone of any sex can join so long as they knit. If the majority are , then so be it but trans or otherwise is irrelevant. If most still want it to be women only then, well you get an interesting debate!

InfoSecInTheCity · 22/07/2026 23:21

ObelixtheGaul · 22/07/2026 23:17

'I don't want women in my golf club. They can go off and do their own thing'.
Does that sound right, to you? It's what was said for many years, gatekeeping a sport.
We absolutely shouldn't be gatekeeping hobbies like this, as though knitting/sewing is a 'woman's thing'.
It's one thing to want spaces for women. It's another thing to attach that to specific hobbies/crafts. Women have been victims of male gatekeeping like this. If it's an open group, not a friends only group, that meets in a public space like a community centre, not somebody's house, I absolutely don't think hobby groups should be gender-divisive.

Males weren’t gatekeeping golf they were gatekeeping business opportunities and networking which was compounding the gender gap in higher position roles and directly discriminated against women by preventing them from progressing. that’s why it was considered justified to open those groups to both sexes. Even so there still are some Men only groups and clubs that exist today, just not as widely.

LagerLady · 22/07/2026 23:19

My grandad was an ace knitter. He was in the trenches in WW1. He knitted socks, and he traded his socks for baccy. Knitting is knitting.

murasaki · 22/07/2026 23:18

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:09

Yes, it’s a knitting group, not a women’s group. There’s no ethical or legal reason to exclude men from a knitting group. If some women want to form a clique in a corner, they can.

Yes, as long as it doesn't claim to be a women's knitting group, that'd be the way to go. As you say, no reason why men of all stripes shouldn't want to knit. Just not in a group called a women's group.

Then other women who want a women's knitting group can have one.

A bit like the women's institute which has had to do just this.

ObelixtheGaul · 22/07/2026 23:17

tillyandmilly · 22/07/2026 23:08

I don’t blame you - to be honest I don’t want men in my sewing group trans or otherwise! They can go off and do their own stuff !

'I don't want women in my golf club. They can go off and do their own thing'.
Does that sound right, to you? It's what was said for many years, gatekeeping a sport.
We absolutely shouldn't be gatekeeping hobbies like this, as though knitting/sewing is a 'woman's thing'.
It's one thing to want spaces for women. It's another thing to attach that to specific hobbies/crafts. Women have been victims of male gatekeeping like this. If it's an open group, not a friends only group, that meets in a public space like a community centre, not somebody's house, I absolutely don't think hobby groups should be gender-divisive.

LagerLady · 22/07/2026 23:17

How many geezers knit?

SurreySenMum26 · 22/07/2026 23:16

I'm.in a crafting group who hire a hall. We are a bunch of friends and it's not open for anyone to join. It's just us as friends. Maybe set up a breakaway group and set up a closed group? This way there's no committee, no treasurer. No accounts. Nothing. If we make any plans it's all lovely as we all agree on most things if not it's majority rule. Easy peesy. Set up the group you want.

orangehandles · 22/07/2026 23:15

Watchoutfortheslowaraf · 22/07/2026 23:13

Why don’t you say chairwoman?

Or simply 'Chair' as I did. That is the accepted term these days.

KittyEckersley · 22/07/2026 23:14

I think maybe it’s a bigger question. Do you need new members? Or are you only advertising to let people who are already interested seek out the group? Is it an activist knitting group doing lots of yarn bombing?
Otherwise, perhaps this level of information should be on your Facebook group/website in the small print.
I would have thought if a transwoman (or transman) was interested in knitting they would either ask or just turn up. If as a group you are trying to get a more diverse selection of women into knitting that should be decided on officially.

Watchoutfortheslowaraf · 22/07/2026 23:13

Why don’t you say chairwoman?

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InfoSecInTheCity · 22/07/2026 23:11

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:04

Why should there be a vote? Imagine white people getting to vote on whether Black people can join their book club. This is no different. Some values are nonnegotiable and can’t be left to mob rule.

Why is this the same thing? White people are white people, black people are black people these are objective facts. TW are not women so your argument is a false equivalency isn’t it? Unless you think it would be ok for a white person to identify as a black person and make changes to their appearance that they feel would allow them to ‘pass’ as black? And then to self identify into groups/award/opportunities that had been created specifically to meet the needs of black people.

orangehandles · 22/07/2026 23:10

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:04

Why should there be a vote? Imagine white people getting to vote on whether Black people can join their book club. This is no different. Some values are nonnegotiable and can’t be left to mob rule.

There is a committee and a constitution. That means that there is a set procedure for decision-making which should be followed.

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:09

murasaki · 22/07/2026 23:07

I agree. And then it is a knitting group, not a women's knitting group, and anyone can join which would be good.

And any women who want their own, and I can see why they might, can set up another one just for women.

Everyone should be happy! (But they won't be....)

Yes, it’s a knitting group, not a women’s group. There’s no ethical or legal reason to exclude men from a knitting group. If some women want to form a clique in a corner, they can.

LagerLady · 22/07/2026 23:09

You might get Tom Daley

tillyandmilly · 22/07/2026 23:08

I don’t blame you - to be honest I don’t want men in my sewing group trans or otherwise! They can go off and do their own stuff !

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:07

InfoSecInTheCity · 22/07/2026 23:02

It’s not unreasonable at all.

life isn’t about just avoiding assault. We are allowed to take part in activities that we enjoy, in an atmosphere we are comfortable in. It’s perfectly reasonable that sometimes women would want to spend time just with other women. The same in reverse for men which is why groups like ‘men’s shed’ exist.

TW are men, so their presence in a women only group changes the dynamic.

Men’s Shed isn’t a hobby group, it’s a medical charity specifically for mental health to counter isolation and loneliness because men are at higher risk of suicide. The correct comparison to men’s shed is a rape center for women or a breastfeeeding support group for women,

murasaki · 22/07/2026 23:07

NullaEffugium · 22/07/2026 23:01

I don’t understand why a hobby group like knitting has to be reserved for one sex only. This is no different from golf clubs refusing to admit women because of a long history of them being men’s clubs. I happen to have known several men who could knit, hand embroider, cross stitch and crochet. Who do you think knitted fish nets and designed fisherman jumpers of Scotland? Men.

Sorry, I think you are being unreasonable to exclude any human being from the hobby of knitting due to their sex.

I agree. And then it is a knitting group, not a women's knitting group, and anyone can join which would be good.

And any women who want their own, and I can see why they might, can set up another one just for women.

Everyone should be happy! (But they won't be....)

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