AIBU to consider leaving our knitting group over its new policy?

very few of you have come across a real world issue/demonmanrapist

You need inform yourself and read up on VAWG and look into the MeToo movement.

Many millions of women have come across real world issues with men, including the transwoman variety. Many thousands (millions?) of women have been raped, and some were even raped by transwomen.

I haven’t read every post so I am not sure if this has been mentioned, but if you don’t want to stick your head above the parapet on the basis of your views, you could do it on the basis of law. If you want to have a single sex group, you cannot let in some men only (transwomen). The new guidance that is coming into force next month might help you explain it to the chair as a concern that they would not be acting legally.

My husband has experience in the area, significant experience. People who hate minority groups can make up any shit they like- as you clearly are.

Exactly this!

Does your group have a constitution saying its women only or is it simply that because knitting is predominantly female the current membership is female and no men have joined. Have you had to turn away hordes of men before?

It's not necessarily anything to do with feminism either. Some people hate feminists and transpeople.

Look it up.

no it doesn’t. butt my point still stands regardless if OP objects but won’t say so, their only choice is suck it up or leave the group.

🤣 sounds like you’re saying ’I disagree with you even though I’ve no experience in that area and I must be right because my Nigel says you’re wrong so there’ 🙄🤣

Some women who identify as transmen will see it as you do, & self exclude because a ‘women’s knitting group’ is just not for them because they don’t identify as women, & that’s ok.

They can set up their own groups, if that’s what they want to do, with their own membership parameters. Within the EQ2010.

Meanwhile, women’s groups remain open to those of the female sex, including welcoming transmen, if they want to join.

Yes; it’s culpably mis-posted here in the knitting section.

Trans men aren’t vulnerable, frail, lost little women, they’re just women. That’s why they are welcome in women’s groups - because they are women. Trans women are men - they should be welcomed in men’s groups and if they aren’t then any change of behaviour and expectation needs to be forced upon the other men, not on women, as it is men who are at fault. There are also myriad groups where everyone is welcome - that makes plenty of groups open to trans women, meaning they have absolutely no need to force themselves on women-only groups.

Oh the old HTH🙄 🥱

Well bore off to Feminism then, this has nothing to do with knitting.

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I thought you were concerned about your knitting group?

This thread should have been in Feminism: Sex and gender discussions. It's nothing to do with knitting at all.

you might not see them that way, but you must have missed (or are deliberately ignoring) the usual stance trotted out on here.
You just need to look at any thread about any public trans men on here or threads mentioning trans men at all and discussions about them.
Your opinion isn't the only one, even though you may think so.
HTH

Not true.

We DO see them as women or girls though.

because
they
are

HTH

It is "for them" too though if the chair has said the group is open to trans women too.

Are you suggesting that men who larp as women would deceptively invade a group explicitly not for them?

Bit transphobic, surely?

It’s ridiculous and goady and fake.

to say that trans men are ok but trans women are not. Madness and so discriminatory

You’re talking nonsense.I just asked my husband who has worked in IT for 40 years in a variety of companies and he hasn’t come across
a single trans person ever. Not once .

Depends on where you are, in environments like IT/technology TW now typically outnumber women. 40 years ago there was usually 1 or 2 and easy to ignore as they kept a lower profile (but always left the seat up in the loos so we knew they’d been there), 25 years ago I noticed more and that they would increasingly speak over women and crowd them out in tech environments, 15 years ago I first realised there was more of them in the room than women at a tech event.

I leave any women’s group that allows TW as they take over and dominate and after a career spent with men including those who identified as women I treasure all female environments, it only takes one male to change the dynamics entirely

you can be “trans-friendly” to female bodied trans people (trans men or NB female people

I mean, I'd have thought that's not exactly "trans friendly" either. You're literally still being the opposite.
"You're not a man, you're a confused/mentally ill woman. Come join us!"
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