What is going on in this house?

If you think supported living accomodation in the community is "like prison or secure hospital" then I'm sorry but you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Think its a legitimate question! Why the geographical disparity I winder?

dont Worry OP I would he exactly the same! I’m actually very intrigued as to what it is! Ignore the ‘holier than though’ comments!

Million-pound patient.

In these scenarios the people in question are 'locked up' to all intents and purposes anyway aren't they? They are not free to roam as they wish. They have carers with them constantly, like guards or wardens really. The houses/care homes they are kept in are secure, so not really that much different to a prison or a secure psychiatric hospital in that respect. They aren't free to just go out as they like and when they do go out it will usually always be accompanied, although that will vary from case to case. These houses would appear to be largely used to care for people for whom a shared residential setting is deemed 'inappropriate.' Which means they are being kept 'locked up in solitary confinement' in all but name.

We don't put people in institutions for life anymore. I'm proud to live in such a humane country.

But it's humane to isolate them by moving them into a house where they live with no-one but a 24 hour a day team of paid carers for company and they are not free to go out unaccompanied? They may as well be serving a whole life term in solitary confinement and only speaking to prison guards. It's an 'institution for life' whichever way you cut it. It's just dressed up as being more humane and that window dressing is exceptionally expensive and not remotely sustainable.

As I said before, just because we spent a lot of money on some scenarios where it arguably makes sense, doesn't mean we should automatically spend huge amounts of money on completely different scenarios where it arguably doesn't. I am talking about a very specific thing here, not all expensive medical or social care in general.

There is an assumption in a lot of your posts, that people with complex needs of the kind we assume OP's neighbour has, cannot enjoy their lives, regardless of their situation and what care and support they receive.

Are you genuinely sure about this? Or do you in fact mean that they can't enjoy their lives in the same way you enjoy yours? The latter may be true, but I don't know how you can possibly claim to know the former.

I think you assume that your enjoyment of your life, because it resembles what you see as "normal", is a lot more important than his. And I would fundamentally dispute this argument. I can't see that any one person's happiness is intrinsically more important than anothers.

If you feel disabled people's happiness matters less, you are on a slippery slope to a scary set of views, in my opinion. But perhaps you know that and don't care. Perhaps you've already slid down it, in fact.

Early onset alzheimers can require this kind of care... and people still appear healthy and able outwardly because their bodies are, it's just their minds that aren't. :(

I understand why you are curious and I think that's normal.

I think most of us realise that someone with complex needs might need adjustments to their housing and support to live independently. But the fact that this is being provided in a different part of the country from where the providers (and therefore we assume the client) are based is bound to make you curious.

One thing I don't understand is how you have so much insight into how it's all organised - the fact that the carers live in separate accommodation for example. Have you spoken to them about this, or was it somehow evident when the building work was put in place?

(I, too, have no particular need to know this detail, I am just curious myself).

Just because you have seen him able bodied at some point doesnt mean he always is.

Are you near a hospital that specialises in anything?
I knew two transplant recipients, they had to travel across the border several times on false starts to the transplant hospital. In one case they stayed nearby in a charity sponsored house.
Could it be that?

I am now invested. I reckon it could be a 'Men in Black' type alien household.

This is eugenics 🤢 people with disabilities have a right to be part of the world ..and not be imprisoned

Not read whole thread but I work in housing and our health and social care partners are always looking for a house like this,for people with complex/multiple mental and or physical health disabilites who are either not safe to themselves or to the local community to live by themselves and need 24 hr care. The person may have been in hospital long term awaiting discharge to the right home.
Bungalows are a favoured house type and most would need adaptaions ans security measures.

I literally work in a setting like this as a support worker. The individual lives in a detatched bungalow and has 3 to 1 carers 24 hours a day. We do 12 hour shifts and rotate. Autistic and LD- nothing to do with criminal convictions or anything like that. Secure doors and gates, tinted windows ect for individuals own safety and dignity.

I don’t disagree. It’s a messy system, and in fact magnifies the problem of miscommunication and/or disconnection between agencies. In our previous residence, it would be a breach of contract to have a male on the premises. The same agency has placed us here, and their parent agency has placed these neighbours nextdoor. Bureaucracy, hey! 🤷🏻‍♀️😅

How do you know he's healthy and able?

Anyway, if you want my random speculation- the man is very dependent on his carers and routine and has been involved in some sort of witness/criminal situation or something else that required that he be removed from his previous location. It would have been too much for him to move to a new area and have new carers so they sent his carers with him.

Either that or (more likely) he requires specialist care which wasn't available in his previous area so he's been moved to where you are so he can access a specific consultant or therapy.

90 mins on public transport is nothing here in the Welsh valleys. 15 miles from Cardiff in a straight line but it’s an hour on the bus plus the walk at each end. Plenty of people who work in retail, healthcare etc do it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

A lot of posters on MN have double standards and are closet twats.

Probably a supported living place maybe MH if you do not think he is disabled. The van maybe was a private ambulance he could have been to a clinic or Dr

No, you haven't. You've decleared your assumptions based on how he looks.

I think 90 minutes is very far and a VERY long commute. When you say, many people do it, what kinds of people? I would think it's only worth it for extremely good jobs on very high salaries and possibly people working around London. Why would someone in a normal job spend 3 hours commuting daily?

The carers are staying over when they're on shift I suppose, but we don't know where they are the rest of the time, whether they live locally and work for the far away trust or they commute from that one every few days.

I don't necessarily assume that, but it's one of the suggestions given on the thread.