What is going on in this house?

I literally work in a setting like this as a support worker. The individual lives in a detatched bungalow and has 3 to 1 carers 24 hours a day. We do 12 hour shifts and rotate. Autistic and LD- nothing to do with criminal convictions or anything like that. Secure doors and gates, tinted windows ect for individuals own safety and dignity.

well that won't be the case for every person but lots of people who clearly seem to have in depth knowledge of this sort of assisted living facility have said that it's often used for service users who cannot safely be around others in a shared residential setting. So apart from family who may visit periodically, then yes it would be EXACTLY like being in solitary confinement with no other residents to socialise with, and only staff.

So someone with dementia or simply infirmity due to old age could get full time care while remaining in their home, without having to sell their home to access it?

‘May visit periodically’? You do realise people with very high needs can have loving and caring families who are still very much part of their lives?

You literally have no clue what you are talking about and are just embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.

Yes you can have it in your own home, live in carers if you require complex care.
what you are doing is clearly trying to argue with no actual knowledge of what goes on in the NHS/LA nor how complex care packages differ from run of the mill care nor how and why any of it is funded.

I’ve got one opposite me, they put that film on the windows , they’ve prob done renovations inside to make self contained living . Ex offenders . We have a nightmare with the one opposite us , drugs mostly

Hearing about these houses mentioned on the thread with one person and 4-5 nhs carers I’m wondering how it’s decided that a person needs and gets this super expensive package while so many others struggle to get minimal help or care and others are living in bigger group residential care settings. What would make someone able to get such an extraordinarily attentive and expensive set up? Genuinely curious! (Also curious about OPs neighbours on her behalf! I’d definitely be wanting to know if it were me and I don’t consider myself particularly nosey!)

But does the local authority or the NHS pay for 2 full time care staff to look after a dementia patient in the familiar comfort and safety of their own home? Or do they need to sell that home in order to access full time care in the first place?

I think we all know what that poster was driving at and they are absolutely correct.

well that won't be the case for every person but lots of people who clearly seem to have in depth knowledge of this sort of assisted living facility have said that it's often used for service users who cannot safely be around others in a shared residential setting. So apart from family who may visit periodically, then yes it would be EXACTLY like being in solitary confinement with no other residents to socialise with, and only staff.

They absolutely do get 2-1 care if they need it, ICBs commission extra staff to provide it in the care home.

How do you know they don’t have visitors? or go to activities? You’re creating a scenario in your head with ZERO basis in fact. It’s not solitary confinement if they aren’t looked in one room with no one to talk to/interact with.

The country can’t sustain this type of care - dementia patients who have worked all their lives are locked up in large numbers because they are a danger to themselves and others paying thousands of pounds till their money runs out ! Do you think they get 2 to 1 care - don’t make me laugh very often sedated and locked in to wander about with all the others. Imagine if all our elderly demented in a purpose built home with 2 to 1 care, why is this person special?

Are you near a hospital that specialises in anything?
I knew two transplant recipients, they had to travel across the border several times on false starts to the transplant hospital. In one case they stayed nearby in a charity sponsored house.
Could it be that?

We don't put people in institutions for life anymore. I'm proud to live in such a humane country.

But it's humane to isolate them by moving them into a house where they live with no-one but a 24 hour a day team of paid carers for company and they are not free to go out unaccompanied? They may as well be serving a whole life term in solitary confinement and only speaking to prison guards. It's an 'institution for life' whichever way you cut it. It's just dressed up as being more humane and that window dressing is exceptionally expensive and not remotely sustainable.

I literally work in a setting like this as a support worker. The individual lives in a detatched bungalow and has 3 to 1 carers 24 hours a day. We do 12 hour shifts and rotate. Autistic and LD- nothing to do with criminal convictions or anything like that. Secure doors and gates, tinted windows ect for individuals own safety and dignity.

The country can’t sustain this type of care - dementia patients who have worked all their lives are locked up in large numbers because they are a danger to themselves and others paying thousands of pounds till their money runs out ! Do you think they get 2 to 1 care - don’t make me laugh very often sedated and locked in to wander about with all the others. Imagine if all our elderly demented in a purpose built home with 2 to 1 care, why is this person special?

Yes, exactly that, but in some form of solitary confinement where he has access to carers but not actual physical access to other residents. Or very limited access to other residents in strictly controlled circumstances and small doses. So like when you see someone doing a prison visit via a protective screen, they could socialise to a degree, if capable or willing to do so, but not have the opportunity to physically attack other residents.

It's not very nice, I know, but it's just the most realistic and pragmatic option. People are saying 'where are these facilities? They don't exist.' Well neither do these very expensive, bespoke assisted living places until some committee decided to buy a house and convert it to one. These people are essentially being kept in solitary confinement (apart from access to their carers) anyway aren't they? That would appear to be the entire point of these houses, to accommodate certain very high needs, high risk individuals away from other residents in a shared facility. So we may as well drop the hand wringing and outrage at the idea of solitary confinement for unwell or mentally disabled people. Because that is basically what these outrageously expensive tailor-made solutions are designed to do.