What is going on in this house?

And? I said eligible. The point being that over that amount the elderly person is liable for the entire cost of their care.

The only areas that doesn’t apply is if they require nursing care, which many elderly despite being infirm, even late stage dementia, do not; or they have been in hospital, in which case there will generally be a short term care plan paid for by the la for a number of weeks.

They look like carers, they dress like carers, they wear lanyards, so obviously they are carers. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. They probably are, but they might not be. House appears to have been bought by an NHS trust. It could easily be being rented out to another government department. It probably isn't, but it could be.

There are some things we do not need to know because the shit will hit the fan if the wrong people find out. This probably isn't one of them, but it might be.

You're such a good person, Vivienne. Not like the rest of us. How can we become more like you? 🤣🤣🤣

Not quite that simple. At £23,250 or more you are responsible for funding yourself until you fall below the limit. If your assets are between £14,250 and £23,250, the council will expect you to contribute £1 per week for every £250 you have between these two figures. It’s not until your savings fall below £14,250 that they are no longer counted in the financial assessment, and any income you have will still be counted using the minimum income guarantee. It’s only if your income falls below this that you won’t be asked to pay the full cost of your care, minus any disability related costs.

Exactly. As a society, we have moved on from putting people into institutions for the rest of their lives. They were terrible places.

And running an entire place costs more than individualised arrangements for the few people who need the type of support that OP's neighbour has.

How much nicer to live in your own house than an institution.

This.

Yes, pretty much. The care wouldn’t be full time as in a nursing home but the visits can be as often as four times a day for up to an hour, and there would be other services offered, such as home helps. All would need to be paid for. And I’m saying again, without knowing the circumstances you are making a huge assumption that this man’s care is free.

It isn’t necessary to sell the home you are living in to access home care. My mother had 2.1 care when in the advanced stages of dementia and remained at home until the end with their help. And without knowing the circumstances of the people in these assisted living facilities you have no way of knowing what their contribution is to their own care.

I'm surprised anyone asks anything on mumsnet these days with the amount of nasty, bitchy comments on here.

OP it's human nature to wonder about these things so it's not you who's weird. Can't say the same for some others though 😂

If it’s been bought by out of area NHS then I would imagine he’s psych patient but maybe has had to move out of area because he was abused in domestic way or committed a crime and they can’t be tried due to vulnerability

You're not nosy - just interested. Hmm ok then. You're not curtain twitching you just happened to see all the comings and goings to the mystery house. You know you haven't the right to know but want to anyway.

If you find out do let us know. I'm not nosy either but I just like to know things.

I do think there's a huge, huge difference between living in an institution and living in a residential setting under very serious /heavy restrictions. Both are not 'normal life' as you or I would know it, but I think it's unarguable that one can provide a far higher quality of life than the other, and be much preferable all round not just for the 'patient'/service user but the carers, relatives and other patients/service users. You have to understand that even people who have incredibly high support needs like 2-1 care at all times are still capable of appreciating very small pleasures such as enjoying some fresh air in your own garden, making a cup of tea in your own kitchen, watching TV on your own sofa - arguably these things become even more important when your life is by necessity so very restricted in other ways. And I don't know if you've ever visited a high security psychiatric facility, I have, and trust me even for the most mentally, emotionally and cognitively robust individuals they're not very nice places, they're noisy, busy, no privacy at all, bright lights, uncomfortable environment with little chance to personalise or have home comforts around you, other unwell and distressed individuals around all the time making noise, melting down and sometimes verbally or physically or even sexually lashing out. Yes there are lots of staff but usually they come and go rather than being able to build a relationship with set individuals as usually it will be a group rota to care for all the patients. And for someone who maybe has sensory difficulties, who struggles anyway with interacting with the world, who perhaps has past trauma to deal with, it's really awful and can severely impact how well they function.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes residential or hospital care is necessary and the only available option but if they are someone who is capable of being stable in a residential setting with support (probably less support than in the institution as you can much better avoid triggers and build trust and a relationship with the carers which is so important for many), it seems awfully like punishment to say they don't deserve that money to be spent on them to achieve than tiny bit more dignity and normality, and their only option is long term institutional care. And like I say yes of course packages of care with 24/7 2-1 care are expensive but I reckon it works out the same or even cheaper than the same care in an institution, it's not as though inpatient mental healthcare is cheap after all...

I only know one type of service that places people far away from their original location... (Okay two, another after witness protection.)

Wow you're getting a hard time. Yes it's none of your business. And true, you don't have a right to know. No, you definitely can't ask - and why would you?

All of this is why you're posting here.

But is it interesting....? Very much yes.

Well said

There is a house by me. High fences, key codes, carers etc. There are 3 people living there but started off as 1 person.

One of those is very unwell presents as "normal" but is a paranoid schizophrenia, psychosis, and dissociative identity disorder, (I talk to my neighbours and their family, we are quite rural and this is the norm, in case you were wondering how I know). Has done nothing to be in a "hospital" situation, just very unwell and can not live alone. They have to live somewhere. The company that runs this care facility is about 100 miles away. They try to keep people where they have grown up.

This could be a similar situation. Never had an issue. I speak to the residents when I see them. All lovely.

"He's very healthy and able"

How could you possibly know this? Disabilities are not just physical; perhaps he has a MH disorder that prevents him living alone. What if he has CTE or a TBI? Low IQ? An uncontrolled seizure disorder?

I realize you're just curious about why he's there, or what the house is used for, but I can't imagine why anyone would think that the ability to walk and move around means someone is fully capable of living on their own.

Exactly this. Can people stop tiptoeing around the fact that extremely schizophrenic or autistic men prone to violent outbursts aren't dangerous and it's offensive or politically incorrect to imply they are.

OP, I would also bet on it being a halfway house or assisted living. I know some male adult schizophrenics and you won't guess there's anything wrong with them at first glance, but they essentially require 24 hour care to live normally.

The expense would be justified if it prevents them from committing a horrifying, nonsensical crime like the ones mentioned above.

I don’t know, I am with the OP, I’d want to know. My first thought would be maybe the victim of the incident a few years ago in a Wiltshire city, or similar. Don’t want to type anything else as if you know, you would know immediately what I mean.

For dementia or old age infirmity, if you have under £23,500 in savings you’re eligible for state care. If not you pay for all care yourself.

Imagine being so confident in your own ignorance.

Absolutely.

@ForeverNowWithin

You are clearly lacking a lot of information about this individual situation, as well as the typical treatment of vulnerable individuals, such as those with LD, more generally.

When we respond to ambiguous information in a confident way it reveals our biases. It's like a Rorschach test for our moral character.

You have reacted to uncertainty by kicking the vulnerable, and so now we all know who you are. Congratulations.