What is going on in this house?

We looked after mum at home - dementia, but not classed as complex care. She was assessed as needing four visits a day. Most were around half an hour to 45 minutes long and the carers would offer help around the house if personal care didn’t take up the whole visit. Mum was never moved into a care home because she never needed to be, and didn’t want to be. You can’t just move someone into full time care if they object - regardless of capacity. We had support in place from GP, district nurses and other services, along with a hospital bed in a downstairs room. We were luckier than most in that we were retired and able to move her in with us.

But they're generally not.

Women are usually smaller, lighter and not as strong, thats a biological fact.

And then there is the statistic that the vast VAST majority of violent acts are carried out by men. Put the two together and yes, it is far more likely to be men.

Excellent post.

I would also add the rules are the same for anyone who needs care at home. It’s just less likely that a person who is young and has complex high support needs will own a house in the first place, because they are disabled. So the insinuation that old people are being shafted whilst this young man rakes in tax payer money is ridiculous.

why are you specifying men as if women with the same diagnosis aren’t capable of the same things?

Seriously? This is a mystery movie level style set up and if you wouldn’t be curious then that makes you very much not the norm!

living in a shared residential home and being able to spend time with other people are two entirely different things. No one is saying that people can’t have visitors and social interaction, it’s just safer that they don’t share a home with many other people who are also vulnerable. Also in their own home they will have a kitchen and a bathroom and living area where they can autonomously feed themselves and entertain themselves, someone in solitary confinement has no such ability. residential homes often have communal dining areas, for some people this is a huge trigger point and it’s not safe for them to do that. At home they can eat with a family member or a friend and carers. In a residential care if they can’t eat in the dining room it means being alone in their room to eat.

Being an ex offender doesn't require carers.

It will almost certainly be a social care placement for someone with complex learning/mental health difficulties who requires 2:1 care.

This is not uncommon if you have someone who is large/strong and can lash out if dysregulated.

Sorry I’ve read about 75% but not all of the thread

@Neighbourmystery have you researched the NHS Trust they are from ? It’s clear that a mental health trust is a mental health trust, it may yield answers.

No rage here, simply surprised that this is a thing that happens, never heard of it before. Still can't quite believe the state pays for this (given the dire situation most public services find themselves in), there must be a very good reason for it.

I am aware of sheltered housing (& have two of these schemes v near me) and I have a friend whose disabled brother requires 24 hr 2-on-1 care and lives in a home so just assumed these were the only options.

Of course these are expensive too. And of course I am very happy to pay for this via tax.

Having an individual on their own with multiple carers seems very risky in terms of quality of care, there is something reassuring about a more communal setting with constant management presence etc. But I guess the risk of having them near others must outweigh this risk.

Still wild that this is a thing imo!

The trouble with that article is that it doesnt give enough detail about exactly why these patients were detained. It also mentions hospitals, are these private hospitals that the NHS are outsourcing to?

It can actually be a lot more expensive to have people who need supported living in a hospital than in a private house in the community as a lot of these hospitals are run by private companies https://www.mencap.org.uk/press-release/over-half-billion-pounds-year-spent-locking-people-learning-disability-and-or

My OH does it, 80 miles into london, train is too expensive and would take too long anyway, hes not on a high income, he works for public services. He has never been able to get a job local to us. So he drives in, takes ages.

I havent agreed with all of your views but this is very accurate what you have said here.

We have a number of children on DOLs, they have high staff ratios, 3-1, 4-1, we have had higher. They need solo placements because other children cant be placed with them. They cant attend school because they've usually be excluded, cant find a school place for them with their needs, or refusing to go to school etc. Activities need to be supervised with numbers of staff.

Its not a normal life, its isolated and institualisation with a different face, they're not living a normal teenage life.

If the Court choose to discharge the DOLs, you have various professionals jumping up and down that we're not protecting the child, not meeting their needs, missing episodes and harmful behaviour increases, self harm, exploitation etc. But they're not sectionable, criminal justice wont consider criminalising children or remanding them/prosecuting and serving sentences.

You could look at secure units but they tend to choose children they think they can work with and make changes usually around drugs/gangs/crime, not children whose main presenting difficulties are dysregulation and behavioural difficulties.

So you carry on with DOLs and this unnatural life

How do you know they are carers and not undercover operatives at a safe house being occupied by an exiled dissident (for instance), who is in imminent danger if the wrong people find out where he is?

<I've been reading too many thrillers>😂

Are you sure, though? Maybe they're Lizard People. Have you checked? 🤣🤣

There used to be a poster on here who had an autistic child with severe learning difficulties, eventually as an adult he ended up in a hospital and I think the poster did an AMA as she was trying to get him moved into a living situation similar to the one the OP posted about.

The poster you were responding to referenced specifically dementia or infirmity.

Your response only related to complex care which is not the same thing.

Hard disagree. It's totally normal and natural to be curious about irregular goings-on at a house near yours.

OP, ignore the people who are getting at you. They'd feel exactly the same as you, in your shoes.

The film over the windows and the car windows would suggest that it's more likely someone with severe ASD, per a PP who worked with someone like with this who had the film over the windows because small changes outside would upset him.

Also, Robert Thompson has been out for years and has not reoffended (unlike Venables). You don't have multiple carers and assisted living in that situation.

I expect this is the kind of rage OP is after. Either that or “how dare this guy live in my community”

All under the guise of “I’m so curious”

If you look at all my posts I have said complex care not all care so I didnt respond to your post as wasn't sure what you were getting at?
i have worked in commissioning complex care packages

Wonder if it’s someone notorious like Robert Thompson.

Dementia on its own is not complex care.

As noted you only qualify for state care with savings under ~£23k.

State care for dementia would be at most 2-4 visits a day. Supposedly up to an hour, generally 10-20 mins. When that is no longer sufficient, they are moved into care homes.