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Why is new boss being such a knob?

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Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 14:10

Our old boss took ill suddenly in December last year and died shortly after. They been the boss for 20+ years, so appreciate we were all very used to them.

Following their illness I became interim boss. In April I was offered the role permanently but declined as it would mean returning to full time work. I'm bitterly regretting not taking it due to new boss!

We're a remote team, have been since many years before COVID. New boss clearly hates remote working. We do have an office, but it seats 10 people and us open to the whole business (approx 300 people) not just our department (40 people). New boss wants everyone in the office 2 days a week. HR have told him to go whistle - we are all on remote contracts and live across the whole of the UK, including channel Islands and 2 in France!

New boss is now insisting we schedule any "coffee breaks" (you know, where you brew up between meetings) and that under no circumstances are we to appear on screen with tea/ coffee if it isn't adjacent to our scheduled break. In addition he's put an embargo on lunch time errands, such as laundry, popping to the post office or collecting the car from the garage. All time is to be accounted for.

As you can imagine, morale has gone down the pan. We're a high performing department, there is 0 issues with productivity. Our work is largely invisible most of the time, lots of thinking time and idea generation which makes monitoring our day to day workloads difficult, but we always exceed our targets at quarter and year ends - so people are clearly working. In the 6 weeks he's been in there's been a noticeable change in how people are working, fewer people on early or late, most just working to their hours.

AIBU to think he's being a bit of a dick and just needs to chill the fuck out?

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TheresMillionsOfGeoffreys · 21/07/2026 20:31

LittleGreenShoots · 21/07/2026 19:29

you should get everyone on the team to work to protest. Everyone drinking from a mug everytime they are on screen with him, when asked everyone just says it is water. Just think of a whole screen full of you all drinking from mugs every team meeting- just glorious. I'd like to see him taking it up with HR that you aren't drinking water from the proper receptacle.

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I'd be scheduling a full-on Japanese tea ceremony!

Oldgum · 21/07/2026 20:22

Calmdownfolks · 21/07/2026 20:09

I remember having to sit opposite the new recruit who got the job I had applied for and which I should have got. He was in the job for almost a year. He had completely lied about his history, had no idea of the job, was a waste of space and an alcoholic to boot, always swanning off for a tipple. As all staff also worked outside the office too, it took quite some time before the "problem' was realised! I wonder if your new boss was properly "vetted",or indeed is the person he purports to be.

Did you get the job after he left @Calmdownfolks ?

dcadmamagain · 21/07/2026 20:21

Surely someone else I. The house you’re working coujd have made you a cuppa - how does he know who is st home with you

GarlicEverywhere · 21/07/2026 20:18

You sound like a great boss, @Buggeroffboss.

Very pleased to hear your peers have raised the same points with BB/HR.

Calmdownfolks · 21/07/2026 20:09

I remember having to sit opposite the new recruit who got the job I had applied for and which I should have got. He was in the job for almost a year. He had completely lied about his history, had no idea of the job, was a waste of space and an alcoholic to boot, always swanning off for a tipple. As all staff also worked outside the office too, it took quite some time before the "problem' was realised! I wonder if your new boss was properly "vetted",or indeed is the person he purports to be.

Oldgum · 21/07/2026 20:01

MmeDubois7 · 21/07/2026 19:57

Play him at his own game. Make a thermos up BEFORE working hours and drink it throughout meetings.
He can't dictate how you spend your lunch break (as long as you take the correct time).

Well this would totally suit him wouldn’t it? The employee makes a coffee before working hours snd then not again.
so how is that playing him at his own game?

SqueakyDinosaur · 21/07/2026 19:59

What he actually needs, as well as termination of contract, is a good, old-fashioned bollocking. It's deeply disappointing how this has apparently died the death - if people screw up they need to know a. how they've screwed up, b. what they should do differently next time and c. what effect they have had on colleagues and the organisation. Just passing them on to the next schmucks who hire them is negligent, IMO.

(SIDE RANT) I think there's an awful lot of people who are good at interviews, especially the competency-based ones, but who are absolutely useless in post. I used to work for one of the Big 4 professional services firms and did a lot of interviewing - we were supposed to work within a strict competency-based framework, and I did always tick those boxes, but I also asked quite a lot of random questions to try to find out about the actual person, which we weren't supposed to do. Oddly, my recruitment recommendations had a much higher retention rate than the firm's average....

MmeDubois7 · 21/07/2026 19:57

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 14:21

He said in writing that we were to schedule tea breaks in our diary and not to brew up outside of that and then has taken 2 people aside after they were on a meeting with drinks and he had checked their diary and they didn't have a tea break scheduled. He's since advised that if people do have drinks in meetings he will be checking their schedules.

Play him at his own game. Make a thermos up BEFORE working hours and drink it throughout meetings.
He can't dictate how you spend your lunch break (as long as you take the correct time).

HettyMeg · 21/07/2026 19:54

MapleLeaf190 · 21/07/2026 18:31

😂 Imaging thinking you can’t drink tea and work at the same time?! This is nonsense!

I have a tea/iced coffee/etc. on the go all day at work. I even gasp get up at non-break times to warm it up!

Absolutely. I now work remotely but in my office years, at various companies, not once did anyone have any issue with people making drinks at any time of day for themselves / colleagues. I can't believe someone would take issue with that (unless it's in a job where it's a health and safety risk)

HettyMeg · 21/07/2026 19:52

Does this mean that if people are in the office drinking tea, they can't do it at their desks?! He sounds like a total tosser.

Also, he can't control what people do in their lunch breaks.

Oldgum · 21/07/2026 19:50

SqueakyDinosaur · 21/07/2026 19:46

IMO, what big boss is saying to @Buggeroffboss is "give me the bullets for my gun, and then I will carry out the assassination". I imagine there will have to be some sort of process within the company, but it does make it a lot easier if you can point to grievances which will ultimately lead to a drop in both morale and productivity.

He is on probation
They don’t need a grievance to get rid during probation.
just need to give him notice which is usually a week during Probation

Oldgum · 21/07/2026 19:49

Crazybigtoe · 21/07/2026 19:40

To put it another way, OP if you hired someone who didn't fit culturally and was causing issues within the company, if a subordinate and HR TOLD you there were issues, wouldn't you just sort it if you agreed with it? Rather than tell the person who had an issue to raise a grievance? It's just really odd.

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I agree

SqueakyDinosaur · 21/07/2026 19:46

IMO, what big boss is saying to @Buggeroffboss is "give me the bullets for my gun, and then I will carry out the assassination". I imagine there will have to be some sort of process within the company, but it does make it a lot easier if you can point to grievances which will ultimately lead to a drop in both morale and productivity.

Crazybigtoe · 21/07/2026 19:46

GreenFootstool · 21/07/2026 19:41

Disagree. The main boss made a mistake hiring someone who is a poor fit for the business, the culture and the role.

If they decide to sack this guy, accepting they made a poor decision and correcting it is the right way to go.

Not everyone is suitable for development. This guy is wrong for the business, off he pops.

When did I suggest development?

You don't need a grievance to get rid. I can't see how one is in the best interests of anyone here and I don't understand why BB suggested.

Who does the grievance reflect poorly on in this situation? (Other than boss....)... BB (cause a grievance of that nature screams culture fit miss match which was BB hiring choice) or (if I was being Machiavellian) OP (her team is so entrenched in the old culture that she orchestrated a coup, raised a malicious grievance etc)

GreenFootstool · 21/07/2026 19:41

Crazybigtoe · 21/07/2026 19:35

That is definitely not leadership

Disagree. The main boss made a mistake hiring someone who is a poor fit for the business, the culture and the role.

If they decide to sack this guy, accepting they made a poor decision and correcting it is the right way to go.

Not everyone is suitable for development. This guy is wrong for the business, off he pops.

BetweenTheThoughts · 21/07/2026 19:40

It does sound like a big shift in management style. If the team has a strong track record and is meeting its targets, introducing lots of monitoring all at once is bound to affect morale.
It's not surprising people have stopped going above and beyond if they feel they're no longer being trusted.

Crazybigtoe · 21/07/2026 19:40

To put it another way, OP if you hired someone who didn't fit culturally and was causing issues within the company, if a subordinate and HR TOLD you there were issues, wouldn't you just sort it if you agreed with it? Rather than tell the person who had an issue to raise a grievance? It's just really odd.

Blogswife · 21/07/2026 19:40

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 14:27

Well he can't, but he's trying.

I'm just gathering evidence at the moment before I raise it with HR.

So far, he keeps calling me immediately as my lunch finishes, like he's watching me. He's doing it to others as well.

Is he new to Management ? He sounds very insecure , as if he’s trying to assert his authority but going about it in the wrong way . You either need to have a word with him , have an informal word with HR or raise a grievance. Soon enough morale will be rock bottom & productivity will go down.

pouletvous · 21/07/2026 19:39

He’s not the right culture fit

OP, please take the job and negotiate a 4 day week

This sounds like an amazing company to work for!

Oldgum · 21/07/2026 19:36

Crazybigtoe · 21/07/2026 19:35

That is definitely not leadership

Exactly

He just tells the op to submit a grievance. I mean… wtf? He hired him. The company would have invested so many time and money in to recruiting someone at this level.

SylvanMoon · 21/07/2026 19:36

RandomMess · 21/07/2026 17:48

I’m wondering who you work for, my newish boss is much the same but will be harder to get rid of. I do love the sounds of working where you are, any vacancies 👀

I think there's one going to be coming up in a few months at the OP's place 😉

Calmdownfolks · 21/07/2026 19:35

Is he American? Does he think if he's exceptionally unpleasant, he'll be promoted as the easiest way of getting rid of him? Sounds a nightmare.

Crazybigtoe · 21/07/2026 19:35

OneSparklyGoat · 21/07/2026 19:25

They are going to fire him while he’s still on probation instead of trying to fix him. He’s a poor fit and they don’t intend to put the team through any more. They need the documentation.

That’s leadership.

Taking months to “try” instead of recognizing this now would be a mistake.

That is definitely not leadership

Oldgum · 21/07/2026 19:32

OneSparklyGoat · 21/07/2026 19:25

They are going to fire him while he’s still on probation instead of trying to fix him. He’s a poor fit and they don’t intend to put the team through any more. They need the documentation.

That’s leadership.

Taking months to “try” instead of recognizing this now would be a mistake.

You don’t need documentation to end someone’s probation. You just have to give them notice. Usually only a week if during probation.

Futurehappiness · 21/07/2026 19:30

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/07/2026 16:44

The only trouble is (from past experience) that unless he’s done something which involves sacking him immediately, even with a grievance he can cling on for a while, at least until his probation is at an end. Someone more HR savvy may put me right though.

It is straightforward to dismiss somebody with less than 2 years' service as they can't claim unfair dismissal (though that is set to change from next year when it will reduce to 6 months,,,,but for now he has very few rights). Unless he can claim discrimination due to some protected characteristic eg a disability the boss has which no provisions were made for...no evidence suggests that is the case.

Probation has no legal implications at all, just a window for both parties to decide if the job is a good fit. So no there is no need to wait till probation ends, that wouldn't make sense if it is clear that things haven't worked out. I think that racking up multiple staff complaints in just 6 weeks is evidence enough of that!