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Why is new boss being such a knob?

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Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 14:10

Our old boss took ill suddenly in December last year and died shortly after. They been the boss for 20+ years, so appreciate we were all very used to them.

Following their illness I became interim boss. In April I was offered the role permanently but declined as it would mean returning to full time work. I'm bitterly regretting not taking it due to new boss!

We're a remote team, have been since many years before COVID. New boss clearly hates remote working. We do have an office, but it seats 10 people and us open to the whole business (approx 300 people) not just our department (40 people). New boss wants everyone in the office 2 days a week. HR have told him to go whistle - we are all on remote contracts and live across the whole of the UK, including channel Islands and 2 in France!

New boss is now insisting we schedule any "coffee breaks" (you know, where you brew up between meetings) and that under no circumstances are we to appear on screen with tea/ coffee if it isn't adjacent to our scheduled break. In addition he's put an embargo on lunch time errands, such as laundry, popping to the post office or collecting the car from the garage. All time is to be accounted for.

As you can imagine, morale has gone down the pan. We're a high performing department, there is 0 issues with productivity. Our work is largely invisible most of the time, lots of thinking time and idea generation which makes monitoring our day to day workloads difficult, but we always exceed our targets at quarter and year ends - so people are clearly working. In the 6 weeks he's been in there's been a noticeable change in how people are working, fewer people on early or late, most just working to their hours.

AIBU to think he's being a bit of a dick and just needs to chill the fuck out?

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Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:54

JMSA · 20/07/2026 20:52

Maybe there had been an issue with people arriving back late at the office.

At his previous office you mean?

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Candymouth · 20/07/2026 20:54

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:52

Ignore his email about brews, working hours, correspondence stuff and lunch break stuff yes. I told them I'd get more info and look at the new policies etc and then have individual discussions with them on how the changes impact them. For some of them or would constitute a contractual change so requires more than just an email. I told them if he brings it up with them to direct him to me. Whilst he can formally discipline my reports, it's very bad form and HR would seek my comments on it before it went further. I'll happily tell them I told them to ignore it and if there's consequences for me, then fair enough, that's part of my role as line manager. So far nothing but he's had minimal interaction with my team without me there. He has had more interaction with one of the other teams and with me and the other heads of.

So far no formal consequences for me, just threats of "I'll have to take this further" etc. When I talked to him about the lunch break stuff and refused to take a half days leave, he responded with "I'll be looking into that policy then" and don't do it again, in future health appointments will require formal notice for leave in advance etc (which we do, but you can't give more notice of a same day or next day appointment than you have).

Sacking me would either be proving gross misconduct or putting me on a PIP and me failing, so I have time. Same for my reports, though I'd be managing the PIP.

And he doesn’t monitor and pull them up on ignoring him?

JMSA · 20/07/2026 20:52

Wishimaywishimight · 20/07/2026 14:19

I doubt anyone will disagree with you but this is what you're stuck with. Doesn't sound like going back to the office is a possibility anyway which is good.

How can he put an 'embargo' on what you do at lunchtime?

Maybe there had been an issue with people arriving back late at the office.

LakieLady · 20/07/2026 20:52

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 14:21

He said in writing that we were to schedule tea breaks in our diary and not to brew up outside of that and then has taken 2 people aside after they were on a meeting with drinks and he had checked their diary and they didn't have a tea break scheduled. He's since advised that if people do have drinks in meetings he will be checking their schedules.

But someone else could have made that drink for them!

When we were both working from home during lockdown, my DP would often make me a cup of tea if I was stuck on a long call.

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:52

Candymouth · 20/07/2026 20:38

you have been telling the team to ignore him? And there’s no consequences for ignoring him?

Ignore his email about brews, working hours, correspondence stuff and lunch break stuff yes. I told them I'd get more info and look at the new policies etc and then have individual discussions with them on how the changes impact them. For some of them or would constitute a contractual change so requires more than just an email. I told them if he brings it up with them to direct him to me. Whilst he can formally discipline my reports, it's very bad form and HR would seek my comments on it before it went further. I'll happily tell them I told them to ignore it and if there's consequences for me, then fair enough, that's part of my role as line manager. So far nothing but he's had minimal interaction with my team without me there. He has had more interaction with one of the other teams and with me and the other heads of.

So far no formal consequences for me, just threats of "I'll have to take this further" etc. When I talked to him about the lunch break stuff and refused to take a half days leave, he responded with "I'll be looking into that policy then" and don't do it again, in future health appointments will require formal notice for leave in advance etc (which we do, but you can't give more notice of a same day or next day appointment than you have).

Sacking me would either be proving gross misconduct or putting me on a PIP and me failing, so I have time. Same for my reports, though I'd be managing the PIP.

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FudgeFudy · 20/07/2026 20:50

Scottishskifun
He sounds out of his depth so is trying to throw his weight around.

Exactly this. He's the sort that doesn't have any actual management skills but can talk a good game to his management, and thanks to watching too much of The Apprentice thinks the way to get ahead is by being a bolshy overbearing twat. Hopefully he won't last long; it doesn't sound like he will.

TennisLady · 20/07/2026 20:49

I’d have no tolerance for this - I’d ignore him and carry on making myself a coffee or going to the toilet etc. would love to see him justify to HR a disciplinary for me drinking a cuppa FFS.

GSDLOVER · 20/07/2026 20:48

If you’re lunch break is unpaid, they have no right to tell you what to do in it, I feel for you. I had a power hungry boss that just pissed everybody off and it became a really unhappy office until she left.

TheFormerMrsTruelove · 20/07/2026 20:38

I’m sure it has been said above more than once, but this is a show of power. He’s come into a team with a proven track record and where a previous acting manager is still present. He wants to create an impression with his managers, show your team that his way is better than the manager you’ve lost, and show you that he’s the boss. He’s asserting his authority.

Candymouth · 20/07/2026 20:38

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:34

I've been able to mitigate the impact on my reports but basically saying ignore it until I have more info. I'm gathering info/ evidence and will then speak to someone about it (HR or senior management). I'm also not 100% certain it isn't coming from senior management yet, so I'm currently just making a list.

you have been telling the team to ignore him? And there’s no consequences for ignoring him?

Timefortea72688 · 20/07/2026 20:38

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 14:25

No. I guess because it's harder to evidence when they got them - my water bottle lasts me all day.

I would have a large flask. To show if he wanted to see why my coffee is warm. Just for show and then show if he questions it. what a ridiculous rule-as if working in an office would stop you getting a brew when needed, it’s not like you’re going to do it at inappropriate times, just like you wouldn’t in the office. Is he questioning toilet breaks too?!

Candymouth · 20/07/2026 20:36

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:34

I've been able to mitigate the impact on my reports but basically saying ignore it until I have more info. I'm gathering info/ evidence and will then speak to someone about it (HR or senior management). I'm also not 100% certain it isn't coming from senior management yet, so I'm currently just making a list.

What more do you need? He’s actually put all this nonsense requests in writing you say.

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:34

Candymouth · 20/07/2026 20:25

You have a responsibility to all your reports to progress this with HR if they have come to you and expressed unhappiness at how the new boss is behaving. You seem very focussed on how it’s impacting you but if I were you, as his second in command so to speak, i would be more focussed on my team not being happy

I've been able to mitigate the impact on my reports but basically saying ignore it until I have more info. I'm gathering info/ evidence and will then speak to someone about it (HR or senior management). I'm also not 100% certain it isn't coming from senior management yet, so I'm currently just making a list.

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LakieLady · 20/07/2026 20:32

JJWT · 20/07/2026 20:26

Is he still on his probationary period? Doesn't sound like he's a good fit. If enough of you complain constructively and evidence a drop in morale and productivity, they might throw this one back?

What if you do a large insulated hot drink that stays warm for 2hrs+?

He sounds unhinged.

That's a good idea.

Get yourself a massive thermos flask, OP and fill it up before you start and again at lunchtime.

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:29

Boreded · 20/07/2026 20:21

That’s exactly what it looks like to me too. It’s excessive.

No, not call centres (that I'm aware of, he's not exactly open about his work history).

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LakieLady · 20/07/2026 20:29

Fucking hell, what control freakery!

What you do in your lunch break is nothing to do with your employer unless it impacts on your work. They're not paying you for that time, so it's fuck all to do with them.

The not making a drink rule is just ludicrous too. I drink about 10 mugs of tea during the day, I'd go into withdrawal if I was only allowed to make a cuppa at set breaks.

I'd definitely raise it with HR.

JJWT · 20/07/2026 20:26

Is he still on his probationary period? Doesn't sound like he's a good fit. If enough of you complain constructively and evidence a drop in morale and productivity, they might throw this one back?

What if you do a large insulated hot drink that stays warm for 2hrs+?

He sounds unhinged.

Candymouth · 20/07/2026 20:25

You have a responsibility to all your reports to progress this with HR if they have come to you and expressed unhappiness at how the new boss is behaving. You seem very focussed on how it’s impacting you but if I were you, as his second in command so to speak, i would be more focussed on my team not being happy

nevernotmaybe · 20/07/2026 20:25

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 14:21

He said in writing that we were to schedule tea breaks in our diary and not to brew up outside of that and then has taken 2 people aside after they were on a meeting with drinks and he had checked their diary and they didn't have a tea break scheduled. He's since advised that if people do have drinks in meetings he will be checking their schedules.

Make large flasks of drinks, or not tea just something you pour in the cup, and appear constantly without having it entered in the diary because there is nothing to enter. He will have to constantly check the diary. Make it clear when he asks, sometimes you will have brewed sometimes you will have a flask and if he wants to know he will have to check.

Not helpful to anything else. Silly and petty. But I would still be doing it, because it is also harmless and completely compliant.

Boreded · 20/07/2026 20:21

HellsBells13 · 20/07/2026 20:20

Forgive me if I have asked a question others have written, I could not see. Has he come from or had experience in his career of managing call centre departments? His behaviour and style reminds me of this. I work in a call centre going on almost 8 years, tiny team that was migrated in to the larger company sadly .

That’s exactly what it looks like to me too. It’s excessive.

Boreded · 20/07/2026 20:20

Monty36 · 20/07/2026 18:41

If you show that you were back from lunch, that you could have picked up his call but did not, nor called him back quickly soon after, that will not look good at all.

You aren’t showing that you could have picked up the call.

you are showing that you were back from break and working…tell me you don’t WFH without telling me, you can’t always answer calls from people because you could be in meetings all day

HellsBells13 · 20/07/2026 20:20

Forgive me if I have asked a question others have written, I could not see. Has he come from or had experience in his career of managing call centre departments? His behaviour and style reminds me of this. I work in a call centre going on almost 8 years, tiny team that was migrated in to the larger company sadly .

MrSchubertWhiskers · 20/07/2026 20:13

Bloody hell, how much time is he wasting monitoring you all like this?!

I'd ask him what he is looking to achieve and whether this is really an efficient use of his time.

Goatsarebest · 20/07/2026 20:11

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 19:54

I'm going to ask the senior managers outright if there's an agenda - if there is I'm happy to get on board with it, I just want to know. I also want to work with my manager and not against, but he's not communicating with me (or the other heads of) about this new agenda. I have my own team I need to look out for, and get in to line if this is a new way of working. But it's not happening in other departments which makes me think it's him and not the company.

He has managed before, but this is a step up for him and he's only managed hybrid and on prem teams. He didn't realise that remote meant 100% remote!

Is he out of his depth and doing what all managers out of their depth do and defaulting to the micro things they can control and understand. I've had a few of those over the years who have no ability to think strategically or willing to make decisions in important areas and stand by their decisions. They hide behind little things and process to try and look like they add some value. Scarily, a good number end up getting promoted.

Buggeroffboss · 20/07/2026 20:02

PatioDwellers · 20/07/2026 19:07

I absolutely get it. You don't need set hours or to tell someone uou are on lunch. Same at our work but it does some people's heads in.

Yes, we have low turn over of staff, but those who leave, do so quickly because they can't cope with the autonomy and lack of structure. Or they get sacked because they can't cope with it and take the piss!

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