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AIBU to wonder why women still accept unequal relationships?

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Tinnybinnylinny · 19/07/2026 23:59

I have been an avid lurker and infrequent commenter…..

Its 2026, women have had the vote for over a
hundred years, access to education, we are about three generations in for women being able to earn professional salaries…their own business/ whatever it is. Yet - why are women still raising male children to treat their partners/wives like crap (not all men, and of course no one posts when it’s a happy life)?.

Why do women:

a. Accept it?;

b. raise the next generation to do the same (I appreciate these are inter- linked).

I see it on so many threads on here and in real life. Women that are the high earners - and yet do everything for the kids and the partners/ husbands….

The law/ employers etc can change/ have all the polices etc, but it doesn’t matter….

What am I missing?

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Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:39

Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 01:29

@Tinnybinnylinny Leaving my first husband was one of the best decisions I ever made! I wouldn't be the strong woman I am now had I stayed. The years that followed were very hard, but it's made me who I am today.
I set the bar high after setting it too low for too long; that has to be on me.
Now a very happily remarried Ms MyName ❤️

This, I also responded to a post that I learnt from bad relationships….before I settled.

that is what life is, a journey that we learn from, we also teach people how to treat us…..

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CamillaMcCauley · 20/07/2026 01:38

Duckagogo · 20/07/2026 01:31

Er, no, you're not in a relationship with him any more.

Once you have kids with someone you have a lifelong relationship with them, sorry to say, and often that relationship is unequal for complex reasons. I’m not in a romantic partnership with my ex but I have to negotiate the relationship all the time.

The OP is full of bravado but I’d love to see her try to co-parent with someone difficult while also trying to make them “regret the day they met”.

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:36

Namechangedoverandover · 20/07/2026 01:36

I must have gone against expectations!

I split from my partner when my child was a baby because he didn't share the load.

So, not all women are prepared to be a doormat and sacrifice their financial and emotional futures on an (at the time) undeserving man.

Just to add, we remain friends and my ex treated his future life partner and second child much better.

It was either a me problem ha ha, or he learnt from a woman (me) that we don't have to put up with inequality, thoughtlessness, etc and that in my case I would rather be alone.

You trained him?

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Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:36

CamillaMcCauley · 20/07/2026 01:29

i left him but I still do the vast majority of parenting as otherwise my children would pay the price. So according to you I accept an unequal relationship.

No - you left him! So you didn’t accept his behaviour. That was the question, why did women accept the behaviour, you didn’t.

I of course understand that you cannot force someone to do something. I do understand that you have to raise your kids, but you didn’t accept his behaviour.

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Namechangedoverandover · 20/07/2026 01:36

DysmalRadius · 20/07/2026 00:34

Men often fall into patterns of laziness and selfish behaviour once their kids are born, at which point it becomes a lot harder to walk away for women, both from a financial and practical POV.

Coincidentally, it also becomes a lot easier to leverage a woman's guilt against them by forcing then to either do more themselves or allow their children to suffer, leaving women to take on the mental load as well as a lot of physical and practical work, which makes it harder to leave because they don't have the capacity to plan and execute a split, and, again, dont want their children to suffer a divorce/don't want to give up time with their kids/don't trust their husband to provide for them on a practical or emotional level if they are no longer in a relationship.

I would suggest that most women with children would more readily accept a less than equitable split of work/responsibility over a divorce or rather sake of their children, and men know it, so the pattern continues.

I must have gone against expectations!

I split from my partner when my child was a baby because he didn't share the load.

So, not all women are prepared to be a doormat and sacrifice their financial and emotional futures on an (at the time) undeserving man.

Just to add, we remain friends and my ex treated his future life partner and second child much better.

It was either a me problem ha ha, or he learnt from a woman (me) that we don't have to put up with inequality, thoughtlessness, etc and that in my case I would rather be alone.

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:31

ToKittyornottoKitty · 20/07/2026 00:57

How can I misquote when I literally quoted you? Absolutly bizarre. You said ‘why are women so incredibly weak’ and then said ‘I never said women are weak’ and then claim I’m misquoting you!

Again - you have taken it out of context, and honed in on that statement, disregarding what was said before and after. It was the post at 00.14.

I was saying why are women so weak, in doing everything, I also caveated and said not all women and not all men. You missed all that out, as it didn’t suit your narrative.

You clearly work at the BBC 🤷🏼‍♀️😂

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Duckagogo · 20/07/2026 01:31

CamillaMcCauley · 20/07/2026 01:29

i left him but I still do the vast majority of parenting as otherwise my children would pay the price. So according to you I accept an unequal relationship.

Er, no, you're not in a relationship with him any more.

CamillaMcCauley · 20/07/2026 01:29

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:27

But you left him, so you didn’t accept the behaviour, is that correct?

i left him but I still do the vast majority of parenting as otherwise my children would pay the price. So according to you I accept an unequal relationship.

Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 01:29

@Tinnybinnylinny Leaving my first husband was one of the best decisions I ever made! I wouldn't be the strong woman I am now had I stayed. The years that followed were very hard, but it's made me who I am today.
I set the bar high after setting it too low for too long; that has to be on me.
Now a very happily remarried Ms MyName ❤️

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:27

CamillaMcCauley · 20/07/2026 01:16

This is one of the clearest examples of projection I’ve seen 🤣

I, post-separation, put up with a very unequal distribution of childcare with my ex as if I didn’t, my children would be the ones to suffer from his disengaged, borderline neglectful parenting. I left him, among other things, because I had the same situation when we were together, but also had to put up with his bullshit every day.

Before you ask why I had kids with him in the first place, he obviously painted a very different picture before they arrived and behaved quite differently when we were in the early stages of our relationship.

Hope this helps you understand that things are a bit more complicated than the neat little scenario you are painting.

Edited

But you left him, so you didn’t accept the behaviour, is that correct?

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Duckagogo · 20/07/2026 01:26

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 00:49

Please read my response.

Look at these vipers though, I am just wondering why it appears so many women put up with the bad behaviour of men, and I am the problem.

There is certainly no, girl power/ be kind……it’s like it’s a competition to tear other women down. It isn’t - I do genuinely ponder why women accept the behaviour/put up with it….however it is phrased better.

there is no misogynistic intention in the post - it’s a genuine question.

The truth is that we can see their bad behaviour even before we have children. My lazy arse of an ex husband (he worked hard to earn money and was an incredibly lazy sod when it came to parenting and household management) was, in fact, lazy when I was dating him.

The difference is, it's far easier to ignore and tolerate that when you don't have kids. They don't change, it's just that having to give him a nudge every day to do the dishes when its his turn or take the bin out isn't a big deal when you're not knee deep in the domestic battlefield.

Additionally, I wasn't as fussed if the grout round the bath got mouldy when I was young and stupid, we were having fun, who cared?

So, no, they very rarely suddenly change, although they might indeed get even lazier when the kids come along, or more selfish very very few men suddenly turn from engaged, hard working in the home, fair and equitable partners to life sucking sods.

Men don't go from fully engaged and fair in the partnership to a complete arsehole once the kids come. The signs are there, we just don't realise how soul destroying the extra labour he causes and how much his unkind, unfair and irresponsible behaviour will be once kids come along.

I was young, stupid and had been raised to tolerate male lazy entitled selfishness. I did argue with my mum, but it still worms its way into your brain when its normalised around you. I remember her arguing that a woman she knew shouldn't be forcing her teenage son to iron his own shirts. I was absolutely flabbergasted. I also remember my lazy father would simply leave his jacket, plate, whatever he felt like at his arse in the house, and she would move it for him.

So I was alert to those obvious signs, but not to a man who didn't bother cleaning the bath or ironing his clothes (he'd go to work in unironed shirts when we were first living together, I didn't iron them for him but I did nag him into ironing them as it was dreadful looking). There were lots of little signs.

I do understand why young women who have always swum in a dirty fish tank cannot even imagine what a clean aquarium is like.

I do not understand why they pretend they don't have a choice when they've been putting up with his crap for ten years.

My ex husband cheated on me in the end and that would have been enough to end the marriage anyway.

But in all honesty the worst thing he did was to steal my unpaid labour, my peace and my time while I slaved away doing the jobs that had to be done because otherwise my kids would have lived in a shit tip. And I did argue and shout and beg and demand and try to discuss it while he hid in the toilet or did jobs slowly and sloppily. He was a lazy arse and didn't care how unhappy I was so long as he didn't have to do it - like so many men.

I would love to get all those thousands of slave labour back. But at least I didn't just put up with him steam rollering me quietly and come to mumsnet to ask questions, I never questioned he should be doing more, or blamed myself, or timidly tolerated it. I pushed back hard and forced him to do some of what he should have been doing without even being asked.

I find meek, compliant women irritating and I find it incredibly annoying that some just won't learn. I was always a stroppy cow, maybe it's nature to a great extent for many.

And my second husband does more around the house and garden than I do and is a fully engaged non selfish partner in life. You can, indeed, live and learn :)

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:24

Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 01:22

@Tinnybinnylinny As a staunch feminist, who definitely doesn't sit in the "equality, but only when it suits me" camp, I am used to other women being on the attack when valid questions like this are asked.
We, as women, need to stop accepting unaccepable behaviour from men. Regardless of their financial status - rich, poor or in between.
You tow the line or off you go!

It’s desperately sad that it has to be like that.

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Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 01:22

@Tinnybinnylinny As a staunch feminist, who definitely doesn't sit in the "equality, but only when it suits me" camp, I am used to other women being on the attack when valid questions like this are asked.
We, as women, need to stop accepting unaccepable behaviour from men. Regardless of their financial status - rich, poor or in between.
You tow the line or off you go!

Inmyuggs · 20/07/2026 01:21

How ca aparent be blamed how there child turns out to treat a partner?
I think your views abit farked.
Mine die my married friend doesnt talk to the wife vice versa some people are just weirdos.

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:16

Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 01:02

@Tinnybinnylinny Over-reliance on a man often. And/or not wanting to be alone.
My husband knew from Day 1 that if he turned out not to remain an equal partner I would have no hesitation in pulling the plug on our relationship. And I, of course, accept the same the other way around.
Own bank accounts - none joint.
Both contribute fairly towards our daughter in every way - care-wise, financially and emotionally etc.
Very happy indeed.

Thank you for answering the question and not crucifying me.

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CamillaMcCauley · 20/07/2026 01:16

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 00:54

No - you mis- quoted. You are incredibly rude and confrontational, but there we are then. That is the internet and a public forum. It’s your opinion, to which you are entitled. No point in reasoning with stupid.

I hope you are ok.

This is one of the clearest examples of projection I’ve seen 🤣

I, post-separation, put up with a very unequal distribution of childcare with my ex as if I didn’t, my children would be the ones to suffer from his disengaged, borderline neglectful parenting. I left him, among other things, because I had the same situation when we were together, but also had to put up with his bullshit every day.

Before you ask why I had kids with him in the first place, he obviously painted a very different picture before they arrived and behaved quite differently when we were in the early stages of our relationship.

Hope this helps you understand that things are a bit more complicated than the neat little scenario you are painting.

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:14

Duckagogo · 20/07/2026 01:05

This. It is so much better to be alone than with an energy vampire and adult child. A lot of women do choose that and will argue in favour of their Nigel. I find that incredibly annoying.

I get why a younger woman might fall into that trap due to influences all around her from birth, but have no patience or tolerance for women over 30 who still choose being with miserable, lazy men, or who raise their children in that environment (assuming they can safely protest his behaviour or leave).

Apparently that makes me a misogynist 😅

Edited

Me too! It is comforting to know I am not the only person that thinks the way I think.

I know so many absolutely amazing woman who are incredibly bright/ successful careers/ kind/ considerate/ empathetic (please note - the order of the qualities does not note the importance of the qualities) and yet what they accept from their partners/ husbands…..-and yes they do complain. However, I would not share with them my real
thoughts, ie LTB, as then you are the bit4h that said that/ or she tells the partner/ husband that and you are persona non grata (unless it’s domestic violence, then I have (and yeah, she went back and is still miserable)).

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Duckagogo · 20/07/2026 01:11

glaciercherry · 20/07/2026 01:00

Because the alternative may be not having the things you want done for your children actually getting done, on time, pre-emptively where necessary, reliably and to a high standard.

The trade off of equalising the mental load is deemed as trade off for the more important, making sure your child is raised and treated the way you want them to be.

Treated to the site of a harassed servant for a mother and a lazy arsehole taking advantage of her for a father is not much of a trade off. Maybe if he's rich and she can therefore afford nannies, cleaners etc to lift her enormous burden it might make more sense, money can buy a lot of compliance. But most of the sort of men under discussion aren't rich and she'd have a far nicer life without one extra man child taking advantage of her in the mix.

If you mean raised in a two parent family because you think that's overall safer and better - well, sometimes it can be. But not when the woman is a miserable servant and the father is a lazy, energy sucking arsehole.

Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 01:10

@Duckagogo But perhaps, for women living a certain lifestyle provided by their husband, they know that leaving will mean that ends?
It depends which you value more I guess - money or freedom (and a chance to find true respect further down the line).

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:08

DysmalRadius · 20/07/2026 00:34

Men often fall into patterns of laziness and selfish behaviour once their kids are born, at which point it becomes a lot harder to walk away for women, both from a financial and practical POV.

Coincidentally, it also becomes a lot easier to leverage a woman's guilt against them by forcing then to either do more themselves or allow their children to suffer, leaving women to take on the mental load as well as a lot of physical and practical work, which makes it harder to leave because they don't have the capacity to plan and execute a split, and, again, dont want their children to suffer a divorce/don't want to give up time with their kids/don't trust their husband to provide for them on a practical or emotional level if they are no longer in a relationship.

I would suggest that most women with children would more readily accept a less than equitable split of work/responsibility over a divorce or rather sake of their children, and men know it, so the pattern continues.

Thank you for answering the question, am sorry I missed the response.

It seems it’s biology then. I think it’s that women want to put the kids to bed/ read the story etc….and men can take it or leave it (I caveat not all men/all women). So all the laws/ policies in the world won’t make a difference.

I do sometimes wonder is it the macho thing at play where men don’t feel they can say they need to leave work to see the kids/ sports day/ prize day etc…. I genuinely don’t know.

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Duckagogo · 20/07/2026 01:05

Namechangedoverandover · 20/07/2026 00:55

I agree and it's evidenced by so many threads on here where women put up with so much rubbish and when advised to end the situation, they then spout all the reasons why they can't.

So yes, women have to learn to be comfortable with being on their own rather than being in a relationship, any relationship no matter whether it's unfulfilling, unequal or worse, abusive.

Most of the time women are their own worst enemies due to the conditioning you have mentioned.

So why is the OP being condemned as victim blaming when it's a scientific fact that all our behaviours are influenced by nature and nurture factors.

Arguing about victim blaming, why a son grew up to being a lazy entitled so and so, whether it was down to home life, outside external pressures or their innate nature, can be considered but maybe should be put aside for now.

These people are here and in society. What should be addressed is why women think they should continue to put up with carrying the majority of the load of family life if they don't enjoy doing it?

They have a choice, not to put up with it, to stop being the martyr. To advocate for a fairer family organisation and if they don't get it to leave.

Yes, it will be harder at first, but you know what, independence is great when you get to experience it.

As I always say, having no man is better than having the wrong or make do man in your life.

This. It is so much better to be alone than with an energy vampire and adult child. A lot of women do choose that and will argue in favour of their Nigel. I find that incredibly annoying.

I get why a younger woman might fall into that trap due to influences all around her from birth, but have no patience or tolerance for women over 30 who still choose being with miserable, lazy men, or who raise their children in that environment (assuming they can safely protest his behaviour or leave).

Apparently that makes me a misogynist 😅

Namechangedoverandover · 20/07/2026 01:04

Duckagogo · 20/07/2026 00:41

Why would she be asking why men act this way when her question is why do women act this way?

She's clearly asking why women behave the way women do. It obviously upset you that she pointed out many are raising misogynists and lazy arseholes, and certainly it would have been better to say "and obviously men are just as much to blame for their poor parenting and poor outcomes for children" - but she is focused, right now on why women do what women do.

It's not hard to accept, she's allowed to focus on any topic she wants, and you are being unpleasant and pedantic and there is simply no need.

👏👏👏👏👏

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:03

DysmalRadius · 20/07/2026 01:02

Well I gave you the benefit of the doubt and answered your question and you've chosen not to engage with that so far, so maybe we all sometimes let other things overshadow our best intentions...🤷🏻🤷🏻

Sorry. I must have missed your response. It wasn’t intentional.

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ToKittyornottoKitty · 20/07/2026 01:03

Tinnybinnylinny · 20/07/2026 01:00

Oh my goodness, the question was not why are women so weak. It is - why do women put up with such bad behaviour from women…..and yet, you keep insisting the AIBU is ‘why are women so weak? You have taken it out of context. Do you work for the BBC?

No I don’t, it was in response to you saying I misquoted you. You can’t answer a straight question though, you just throw insults around and change what you’ve said. I did not take it out of context or misquote, they are your words.

Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 01:02

@Tinnybinnylinny Over-reliance on a man often. And/or not wanting to be alone.
My husband knew from Day 1 that if he turned out not to remain an equal partner I would have no hesitation in pulling the plug on our relationship. And I, of course, accept the same the other way around.
Own bank accounts - none joint.
Both contribute fairly towards our daughter in every way - care-wise, financially and emotionally etc.
Very happy indeed.