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AIBU to think my colleague's anti England comment was rude?

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ProudBlackMomma · 18/07/2026 21:52

What would you make of this? A colleague declared in front of the whole team in the office the other day that she’d never ever support England in any sport due to their history colonialism. Personally I think it’s rude and fails to read the room. Most people had been enjoying cheering on England in the World Cup so to hear this felt a bit like raining on the parade. This woman is African but living in England and reaping all the benefits that come with that. I’m Black too but proud to say I’m English and happy to cheer on the players, who include plenty of black men who I assume also cheer on England!!

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countrylife00 · 19/07/2026 08:58

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 08:50

‘Another vile person living in a country that has fought for freedom…. Go back to your own country if you don’t like it here.’

that made me laugh! Unfortunately British history shows they fought against freedom far more than they ever did for it… Ireland, Middle East, South Africa, India, Caribbean, Africa … making a fortune from slavery. Repressing the native people annd their culture, language even sport. and in and on and on.

The British ignorance of their own history never fails to amaze me, unsurprising that they just prefer to pretend that the World
Wars were the only conflicts they were ever involved in. And even then WW1 was absolutely partly the fault of the British.

I think you need to pipe down.
You are insulting an awful lot of people.

Twoboysandabengal · 19/07/2026 08:57

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 08:50

‘Another vile person living in a country that has fought for freedom…. Go back to your own country if you don’t like it here.’

that made me laugh! Unfortunately British history shows they fought against freedom far more than they ever did for it… Ireland, Middle East, South Africa, India, Caribbean, Africa … making a fortune from slavery. Repressing the native people annd their culture, language even sport. and in and on and on.

The British ignorance of their own history never fails to amaze me, unsurprising that they just prefer to pretend that the World
Wars were the only conflicts they were ever involved in. And even then WW1 was absolutely partly the fault of the British.

It’s quite typical isn’t it.. 🙄

countrylife00 · 19/07/2026 08:55

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 08:52

If you want to see how colonialism still impacts lives just look across the Irish Sea. Or at I Di’s/ Pakistan. Or Israel/Palestine.
The work of the UK is still very much a current thing. Well done chaps!

More people live in slavery today than ever did in history.
Are you going to blame us for that too?

Twoboysandabengal · 19/07/2026 08:55

OwlBeThere · 18/07/2026 23:03

She’s entitled to that opinion, it’s not rude, it’s how she feels. And living in England doesn’t mean that people can’t be critical of England’s past. Everyone should be critical of colonialism.

Yes, exactly this! It’s up to her

RedTagAlan · 19/07/2026 08:53

Sometimeswinning · 19/07/2026 08:41

I am Scottish. Would I upset people if I said I had decided not to support England because of historical wars ?

You literally put your reason in your post so….

Did you not mean World war 1/2? Falklands? Napolian? Only those which suit your narrative or you were aware of? Maybe if you had named the war which personally upset you?

Yup. I did not name the historical wars. It was a hypothetical question. And nor will I, because you have already stated your position.

As an example though, have you read the 6th verse of the UK national anthem?

And no, the '45 does not upset me. It was not technically Scotland V England. But it could upset me, and I reckon I could put a good case forward using it as a reason not to support England at football. Singing the "God save the King" would be a good starting point.

But the Glorious Revolution that is connected to the '45 does still upset some people.

countrylife00 · 19/07/2026 08:53

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 08:50

‘Another vile person living in a country that has fought for freedom…. Go back to your own country if you don’t like it here.’

that made me laugh! Unfortunately British history shows they fought against freedom far more than they ever did for it… Ireland, Middle East, South Africa, India, Caribbean, Africa … making a fortune from slavery. Repressing the native people annd their culture, language even sport. and in and on and on.

The British ignorance of their own history never fails to amaze me, unsurprising that they just prefer to pretend that the World
Wars were the only conflicts they were ever involved in. And even then WW1 was absolutely partly the fault of the British.

Except slavery in Africa is still very much alive today. If you want to see it at its very worst go and live in Lagos or Port Harcourt.

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 08:52

If you want to see how colonialism still impacts lives just look across the Irish Sea. Or at I Di’s/ Pakistan. Or Israel/Palestine.
The work of the UK is still very much a current thing. Well done chaps!

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 08:50

‘Another vile person living in a country that has fought for freedom…. Go back to your own country if you don’t like it here.’

that made me laugh! Unfortunately British history shows they fought against freedom far more than they ever did for it… Ireland, Middle East, South Africa, India, Caribbean, Africa … making a fortune from slavery. Repressing the native people annd their culture, language even sport. and in and on and on.

The British ignorance of their own history never fails to amaze me, unsurprising that they just prefer to pretend that the World
Wars were the only conflicts they were ever involved in. And even then WW1 was absolutely partly the fault of the British.

LuckyHazelFox · 19/07/2026 08:46

GoodkneeBadKnee · 18/07/2026 23:32

ProudBlackMomma...

Yep. I mentioned this on the MN site stuff thread. Everything is always in the name.

countrylife00 · 19/07/2026 08:45

NotAnotherScarf · 19/07/2026 08:40

Yes they should be to a degree...but no one seems to talk much about the French, German and the appalling Belgian colonies.

I personally would complain to hr as its not acceptable in this day and age to make comments like that in an office.

Plus and I know it would be immediately seen as racist, I'd point out that had it not been for Britain's past she wouldn't be living in a modern first world country and undoubtedly her life in her country of origin would be so much different.

No and those countries don’t talk about it either. Mostly because we helped to liberate them from evil, in recent times. Not hundreds of years ago.

materialgworl · 19/07/2026 08:45

Oh you are one of those? Do you want a cookie?

her opinion is valid to her! Any African knows how colonialism still impacts the everyday lives in every of sphere of modern day Africa.

And all these other comments? The education system in this country that barely acknowledges history that impacted a huge part of the world lets you all down so much you’re so gleefully and yet painfully ignorant.

countrylife00 · 19/07/2026 08:43

RedTagAlan · 19/07/2026 08:03

Why would it upset people ?

I am Scottish. Would I upset people if I said I had decided not to support England because of historical wars ?

We would think you were a plonker yes and considering you were in recent wars too, you would start a very unpleasant scene at work.
You manager would have a quiet word and tell you to shut the f up.

Sometimeswinning · 19/07/2026 08:41

RedTagAlan · 19/07/2026 08:22

I suppose you could find my reasoning uneducated. But it is a bit odd for you to say my reasoning is uneducated without you knowing what my reasoning is.

I think that is very odd.

I am Scottish. Would I upset people if I said I had decided not to support England because of historical wars ?

You literally put your reason in your post so….

Did you not mean World war 1/2? Falklands? Napolian? Only those which suit your narrative or you were aware of? Maybe if you had named the war which personally upset you?

NotAnotherScarf · 19/07/2026 08:40

OwlBeThere · 18/07/2026 23:03

She’s entitled to that opinion, it’s not rude, it’s how she feels. And living in England doesn’t mean that people can’t be critical of England’s past. Everyone should be critical of colonialism.

Yes they should be to a degree...but no one seems to talk much about the French, German and the appalling Belgian colonies.

I personally would complain to hr as its not acceptable in this day and age to make comments like that in an office.

Plus and I know it would be immediately seen as racist, I'd point out that had it not been for Britain's past she wouldn't be living in a modern first world country and undoubtedly her life in her country of origin would be so much different.

CurlewKate · 19/07/2026 08:33

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 19/07/2026 07:43

Yes, claimed victimhood (as opposed to actual victimhood) is very popular indeed. It can be really powerful in getting what you want.

In what way-“getting what you want”?

RedTagAlan · 19/07/2026 08:22

Sometimeswinning · 19/07/2026 08:17

Are you including wars where Scotland and England were united? We’ve fought under the same flag for a couple of centuries now.

I’d find your reasoning uneducated, I wouldn’t be upset though.

I suppose you could find my reasoning uneducated. But it is a bit odd for you to say my reasoning is uneducated without you knowing what my reasoning is.

I think that is very odd.

Sometimeswinning · 19/07/2026 08:17

RedTagAlan · 19/07/2026 08:03

Why would it upset people ?

I am Scottish. Would I upset people if I said I had decided not to support England because of historical wars ?

Are you including wars where Scotland and England were united? We’ve fought under the same flag for a couple of centuries now.

I’d find your reasoning uneducated, I wouldn’t be upset though.

RedTagAlan · 19/07/2026 08:03

CurdinHenry · 18/07/2026 23:20

She was rude

Expressing your opinions when you know it will or even could upset other people is rude

Why would it upset people ?

I am Scottish. Would I upset people if I said I had decided not to support England because of historical wars ?

RedTagAlan · 19/07/2026 07:58

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There is a good chance that their country might also have fought for freedom. There are 61 countries that have an Independence Day. Independence from the UK.

The UK set's the record for that.

In fact, the USA just had a big celebration of their indy day. They had a war against the Brits and won.

Plenty of nations have fought for freedom.

Imaginingdragonsagain · 19/07/2026 07:49

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 19/07/2026 07:32

Is it the football that you hate; or the individual players in the team; or the country as a whole?

If the latter, do you feel the same about Germany, because of their ancestors' (much more recent) actions - or some other reason?

Yes, this?

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 19/07/2026 07:43

Sometimeswinning · 19/07/2026 07:38

I think most people live in the now. There are some who like to use past issues as if they are suffering them now. They are not. They sound silly and deserve to be mocked behind their backs.

I wouldn’t say it to her face because I would assume she’d be the first running, crying to HR. In fact I’d put money on it that’s she’s that person.

Yes, claimed victimhood (as opposed to actual victimhood) is very popular indeed. It can be really powerful in getting what you want.

Sometimeswinning · 19/07/2026 07:38

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 07:13

She’s not wrong, so… her opinion. If she’s happy to get the flack for saying it out loud so be it.
Shes not the only one who thinks that.

I think most people live in the now. There are some who like to use past issues as if they are suffering them now. They are not. They sound silly and deserve to be mocked behind their backs.

I wouldn’t say it to her face because I would assume she’d be the first running, crying to HR. In fact I’d put money on it that’s she’s that person.

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 19/07/2026 07:34

allthiscarryon · 19/07/2026 07:28

‘We should forget all ‘that’ - fans dress up as crusaders…

What, all of them? And does the country officially encourage or endorse this?

Ablushingcrow · 19/07/2026 07:33

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You took the words out of my mouth. If people don't like England, go somewhere else, north Korea maybe. We'll help you pack...

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 19/07/2026 07:32

UniquePinkSwan · 19/07/2026 07:27

I say that all the time minus the colonisation part.

Is it the football that you hate; or the individual players in the team; or the country as a whole?

If the latter, do you feel the same about Germany, because of their ancestors' (much more recent) actions - or some other reason?