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Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 16:10

My 20 year old niece is staying with me. She's lovely, no bother and a good house guest. Ive seen her through thick and thin in the last few uears. Life is tough for me at the mo. I'm stressed beyond anything I've felt before and not coping at all. I feel close to burnout and on the edge of a nervous breakdown. Seriously sleep deprived. Didnt sleep for 48 hours and then got 4 hours the mext night. Niece went on a night out. Said she'd be back around 11. Didn't take a key, said I'd wait up for her. Got a text at 11.30 saying she'd be back at 1am. She arrived at 1.30pm. I was deranged with exhaustion. I was curt with her but didn't want to bite, so said I was exhausted and went straight to bed. She was snarky with me but I didn't bite. We were meant to be up and out early the next day on a trip out. I was up at 6am, so only got another 4 hours sleep. She came downstairs around 9am and said are you OK. I said no, I was exhausted. That's literally all I said, albeit in a frustrated tone. She burst in to tears and fled upstairs. She came back downstairs and said she was leaving. I said fine, do what you want. More tears. 10 minutes later, she'd packed and gone, saying it wasn't what she wanted but was giving me space.
So it all got very quickly out of hand and we haven't spoken since. She knows I'm not coping with life right now. I also said absolutely nothing to her other than I'm exhausted and I get tears and flouncing.
So am I the twat? Should I just be upbeat and smiley and suck it up and not react to her keeping me up til 1.30am. Or is she out of line?

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Chocolattecoffeecup · 17/07/2026 20:57

I don't think you were in the wrong OP. She said she'd be back at 11 and was the and a half hours later. I dont think you were passive aggressive and I don't think you were wrong. She's 20, not a child, and should understand you would be annoyed if you got even less sleep because of her.

also, if she comes back, give her a key

Aluna · 17/07/2026 20:56

This could all have been avoided if you’d given her the key.

Perhaps don’t have people to stay if you’re on the verge of a breakdown.

It’s your responsibility not to take on more care than you can cope with. If it’s too much then it’s time for agency care or a care home.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 17/07/2026 20:52

usernumbernotfound · 17/07/2026 18:43

Exactly. I am getting a bit fed up of this "I cant say no" stuff- fine, then dont say no but then you dont have the right to complain its affecting your mental and physical health 🤷‍♀️

Edited

There are some people like the OP that will not help themselves and will not do the most logical thing ie don't invite people around when you are exhausted!

And when you tell her not to invite people around she says she didn't invite them around, they asked, which is exactly the same thing but they can't see it!

I have known people like this in real life and I just stop offering them advice because they never listen and they do what they want and they just moan about it!

Pistachiocake · 17/07/2026 20:36

Of course she is in the wrong! She is 20, an adult who can do what she likes, but she agreed to a particular time, then messed you about, and then turns on the waterworks like a toddler. You were doing her a favour, and she's selfish.

thesealion · 17/07/2026 20:34

Yes, in hindsight you should’ve given her a key but I’m agog at the responses making out the niece to be some precious innocent child who can’t possibly be expected to show a bit of courtesy to her exhausted aunt and will now be spiralling that auntie doesn’t love her because she snappily said she was exhausted. If that’s how the niece is feeling she needs to get a fucking grip! Plenty of people her age live in shared accommodation and have to deal with inter-housemate relationships and difficulties. If they’re flouncing off in tears every time someone’s pissed off over a forgotten key or other annoyance I despair for that generation.

BringBackCatsEyes · 17/07/2026 20:31

Only skimmed OP's posts (which include quoting).

OP, last Saturday DS 17 was meant to be staying at a mate's.
At 3.30am I was woken by the light of my phone.
He'd decided to come home, no key, house locked obv.
I let him in, went straight back to bed muttering and very cross.
He apologised profusely the following day (when I was still cross).

His 17 yo brain isn't so unformed it can't work out it did wrong and apologise.

Of course, he doesn't really have anywhere else to go, so no flouncing off anywhere.

SummerDive · 17/07/2026 20:28

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 20:13

Thank you to whoever said earlier that they too would be murderous with sleep deprivation. I've never been a good sleeper and have had lots of periods where I've survived on just a few hours sleep. This has nearly sent me under though. A combination of being older, extreme lack of sleep, physical and emotional strain (plus the bloody weather) has honestly sent me to the darkest place. How old does she have to be before she cuts me a bit of slack? She could clearly see how bad I was. It was discussed and she was empathetic.

Not to defend her because reaching those depth of tiredness is awful, I don’t think your niece had any idea of how hard things were/are for you.
Actually I don’t many posters on this thread do either unless they’ve experienced it themselves.

Your niece will have heard exhausted and thought ‘oh yes like when I’m getting up,after a night out’ or ‘when xyz happened and I didn’t sleep very well for 2 nights’. Not the exhaustion you’re describing.
It’s very hard to convey what it actually means. I’ve been tried like this and even when my dcs were babies and not sleeping, I never reached that level of exhaustion.

On that subject, I would assume people haven’t quite grasped how bad it was/is for you.

SummerDive · 17/07/2026 20:22

IchiNiSanShiGo · 17/07/2026 20:15

You’ve asked which one of you was in the wrong, but you’re not listening to anyone who tells you it was you. So you obviously think you’re right and that’s that.

Your exhaustion and lack of ability to say no is not your nieces responsibility or fault. If you weren’t so exhausted you wouldn’t have reacted in the way you did, to what is a very minor thing. It’s incredibly hurtful when your loved one takes their issues out on you and thinks it’s absolutely fine because they’re struggling so you should just have to suck it up.

You’re the experienced adult in this situation, you should have been able to have a calm conversation in the morning.

Your sister is also in the wrong for not helping with your relative. Why isn’t she helping? Is this a permanent arrangement, or will relative be going home?

There are many many posters like me who say that the OP is not in wrong.
Why should she listen to you rather than the majority of people (as per the vote)?

Also I love the position that only the OP is an adukt and that a 20yo should be managed and things smoothed over for her. I have a 20 and 22yo. Both working. I can tell you no one at work will take a soft approach and no one would have a problem with a curt ‘im exhausted’ answer. They would be getting in with it and, as a mother, I’d exiect them to think about why they got a curt answer tbh.
Isn’t that part of normal life?

Missthemachine · 17/07/2026 20:18

Given the state you describe yourself as being in… sounds as those this relative needs much more extensive help than an at home carer is appropriate for

Missthemachine · 17/07/2026 20:16

What was the day trip planned?

IchiNiSanShiGo · 17/07/2026 20:15

You’ve asked which one of you was in the wrong, but you’re not listening to anyone who tells you it was you. So you obviously think you’re right and that’s that.

Your exhaustion and lack of ability to say no is not your nieces responsibility or fault. If you weren’t so exhausted you wouldn’t have reacted in the way you did, to what is a very minor thing. It’s incredibly hurtful when your loved one takes their issues out on you and thinks it’s absolutely fine because they’re struggling so you should just have to suck it up.

You’re the experienced adult in this situation, you should have been able to have a calm conversation in the morning.

Your sister is also in the wrong for not helping with your relative. Why isn’t she helping? Is this a permanent arrangement, or will relative be going home?

usernumbernotfound · 17/07/2026 20:15

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 20:13

Thank you to whoever said earlier that they too would be murderous with sleep deprivation. I've never been a good sleeper and have had lots of periods where I've survived on just a few hours sleep. This has nearly sent me under though. A combination of being older, extreme lack of sleep, physical and emotional strain (plus the bloody weather) has honestly sent me to the darkest place. How old does she have to be before she cuts me a bit of slack? She could clearly see how bad I was. It was discussed and she was empathetic.

You keep saying you are in a dark place and yet when people suggest talking to her and putting boundaries in place you have loads of excuses like "well I didnt invite her" etc This is your home. You arent without agency here.

You cant have it both ways. If you are struggling then bloody tell her she cant stay. Good grief.

Snorlaxo · 17/07/2026 20:15

I’m guessing that she has gone out with friends while staying with you in the past. Was she ever later than she thought she’d be? I suspect that she thought half an hour isn’t a big deal and that your level is tiredness is akin to her staying up until 2 but making it into school or work the next day sort of tiredness because she’s not experienced what you have.

You mention that you are “patient with her” Does she tend towards unreasonable/immature/annoying behaviour normally? Does this manifest as you overlooking stuff she normally says and does because her home life or other life circumstances aren’t great? You aren’t unreasonable not to have any patience when so sleep deprived but if your relationship norm involves you overlooking stuff then she’s not unreasonable to be thrown by a different dynamic from you. I’m not saying that you were unreasonable but she’s not totally wrong to be shocked that you weren’t your “usual self” We also weren’t there so can’t comment on your tone or body language.

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 20:13

Thank you to whoever said earlier that they too would be murderous with sleep deprivation. I've never been a good sleeper and have had lots of periods where I've survived on just a few hours sleep. This has nearly sent me under though. A combination of being older, extreme lack of sleep, physical and emotional strain (plus the bloody weather) has honestly sent me to the darkest place. How old does she have to be before she cuts me a bit of slack? She could clearly see how bad I was. It was discussed and she was empathetic.

OP posts:
usernumbernotfound · 17/07/2026 20:12

Plus, it's not really a host situation. She stays whenever she wants.

Then why hasn't she got a key? it sounds like she just stays whenever she feels like it so why did you not give her a key and instead, insisted on waiting up for her? so weird

I feel like this issue is being exacerbated because you are treating her like a child when she is a fully grown adult.

greentik · 17/07/2026 20:12

You staying up to 12.30 was out of her control as was you having to wake at 6. She’s inconvenienced you by 1 hour - hardly worth falling out over or declaring to her that you’re exhausted as if it’s her fault.

I think there’s more to the flouncing than just this incident.

Hope your life gets easier and you make up very soon and put it behind you.

category12 · 17/07/2026 20:10

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 20:06

Well yes, I could but unless I travel back in time, I can't do it now. I'm not leaving the door on the latch either though, past, present or future.

No, you can't travel back in time.

But you can stop letting it create a wedge between you and someone you love who has been inconsiderate but is young and loves you too.

TheCurious0range · 17/07/2026 20:09

If your home is her home she should have a key, she should be able to come and go as she needs when she is staying. Also you said you were up until 12:30am with care responsibilities, so would've been up anyway. It's also very strange to have someone stay so regularly who you don't give a key to

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 20:08

DisforDarkChocolate · 17/07/2026 20:06

Some really good points here so I'll add that at her age she probably doesn't know how to cope with you feeling like this. You probably also don't realise how hard you've been to live with.

She's not living with me. She was staying for 3 nights. Up until this, everything was fine. There was no tension between us.

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category12 · 17/07/2026 20:07

HelenaWilson · 17/07/2026 20:03

She's 20, of course she wasn't going to be back at 11, though.

Then she shouldn't have said she would be.

She probably said it in all good intentions.

And she let OP know she was going to be later.

The waiting up for a 20 yr old on the lash was ill-conceived from the get-go.

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 20:06

category12 · 17/07/2026 20:00

She's 20, of course she wasn't going to be back at 11, though.

Couldn't you have left the door on the latch or a key hidden somewhere at that point?

Well yes, I could but unless I travel back in time, I can't do it now. I'm not leaving the door on the latch either though, past, present or future.

OP posts:
DisforDarkChocolate · 17/07/2026 20:06

Some really good points here so I'll add that at her age she probably doesn't know how to cope with you feeling like this. You probably also don't realise how hard you've been to live with.

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 20:04

ThatNewMoose · 17/07/2026 19:57

Honestly I think its a bit more your fault, shes 20 absolutely no reason you would wait up for her, it seems like your not sleeping properly anyway due to burnout and you took out your frustration (in your tone) at her.

It seems she knew you were annoyed at her so she got very upset when you were again passive aggressive the next day.
I think maybe you think your hiding your attitude and feelings a bit better than you are, and shes probably quite sensitive to small shifts in people's demeanors....I think a call would be best, and sooner so as not to drag it out, your probably both very tired and emotionally drained

I've already admitted that I was curt in my attitude. I wouldn't normally be with her but the strain I'm under made me short tempered. I'm not saying I'm blameless. Being under duress is no excuse for being bad tempered but I didn't rant and rave at her. I literally said, I'm exhausted. I was in no mood for small talk at 1.30am and to avoid conflict, I said I'm exhausted and went to bed and left her to it. She came upstairs not long afterwards and I heard her mutter, night then, in a snarky tone before going in her room. I didn't reply.

OP posts:
HelenaWilson · 17/07/2026 20:03

She's 20, of course she wasn't going to be back at 11, though.

Then she shouldn't have said she would be.

LBFseBrom · 17/07/2026 20:03

ScrambledEggs12 · 17/07/2026 16:13

I don't think you're being a twat. But, you could have left a key somewhere for her instead of staying up?

I agree.

Maybe you do need space right now.

Don't worry about this, it will blow over.

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