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Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 16:10

My 20 year old niece is staying with me. She's lovely, no bother and a good house guest. Ive seen her through thick and thin in the last few uears. Life is tough for me at the mo. I'm stressed beyond anything I've felt before and not coping at all. I feel close to burnout and on the edge of a nervous breakdown. Seriously sleep deprived. Didnt sleep for 48 hours and then got 4 hours the mext night. Niece went on a night out. Said she'd be back around 11. Didn't take a key, said I'd wait up for her. Got a text at 11.30 saying she'd be back at 1am. She arrived at 1.30pm. I was deranged with exhaustion. I was curt with her but didn't want to bite, so said I was exhausted and went straight to bed. She was snarky with me but I didn't bite. We were meant to be up and out early the next day on a trip out. I was up at 6am, so only got another 4 hours sleep. She came downstairs around 9am and said are you OK. I said no, I was exhausted. That's literally all I said, albeit in a frustrated tone. She burst in to tears and fled upstairs. She came back downstairs and said she was leaving. I said fine, do what you want. More tears. 10 minutes later, she'd packed and gone, saying it wasn't what she wanted but was giving me space.
So it all got very quickly out of hand and we haven't spoken since. She knows I'm not coping with life right now. I also said absolutely nothing to her other than I'm exhausted and I get tears and flouncing.
So am I the twat? Should I just be upbeat and smiley and suck it up and not react to her keeping me up til 1.30am. Or is she out of line?

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Missthemachine · 18/07/2026 08:11

why are arguing about this OP? It seems like such a waste of time. You are absolutely adamant that it’s 100% on your niece. And have been from the very outset. So either wait for her to apologise (unlikely as she sounds a very childish madam) or you apologise and then focus on getting extra help for this relative!

Whyohwhy1974 · 18/07/2026 08:04

firstofallimadelight · 18/07/2026 06:31

It reads like you were struggling and you took it out on her. You would have been awake anyway due to your caring responsibilities and you could have left a key for her if you wee able to sleep. She’s twenty she doesn’t really get what you are going through and has no concept of how exhausted you feel. It’s understandable you snapped but she didn’t really do anything wrong. I’d say it’s on you to make it right with an apology.

I wouldn't have been up anyway. Yes, I would have until 11 but not til 1.30am. I was delayed going to bed as there was a bed wetting accident I had to deal with.

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Whyohwhy1974 · 18/07/2026 08:02

ThatCyanCat · 18/07/2026 06:57

We still don't know why she didn't take a key.

Good grief. There's no huge reveal. She only stays periodically. When she does, she sometimes goes out, she sometimes doesn't. So she doesn't have her own key as she's not here often enough. She was due back at 11 ish. Neither of us thought for her to take one. It's as simple as that. If I had a time machine, I'd go back and she could take a key out with her but I don't.

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Whyohwhy1974 · 18/07/2026 07:59

Missthemachine · 18/07/2026 07:54

I think your relative needs extra help because by the sounds of it…. It’s way too much for at home care by one person

The crisis phase is over. Things are starting to settle. It's not an older person needing ongoing care (been there, done that, twice).

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Missthemachine · 18/07/2026 07:54

I think your relative needs extra help because by the sounds of it…. It’s way too much for at home care by one person

ThatCyanCat · 18/07/2026 06:57

We still don't know why she didn't take a key.

firstofallimadelight · 18/07/2026 06:31

It reads like you were struggling and you took it out on her. You would have been awake anyway due to your caring responsibilities and you could have left a key for her if you wee able to sleep. She’s twenty she doesn’t really get what you are going through and has no concept of how exhausted you feel. It’s understandable you snapped but she didn’t really do anything wrong. I’d say it’s on you to make it right with an apology.

Autumn38 · 18/07/2026 06:11

Oh I feel a bit sorry for her. It’s not her fault that you can’t sleep if she’s not back. It’s not her fault you wouldn’t or didn’t think of giving her a key.

its not her fault that you have caring responsibilities that mean that you couldn’t sleep once she said she’d be back later.

she’s 20. She was having an unexpectedly good time- maybe she met a boy, maybe her song came on… now you’ve made her feel disproportionately guilty for being young and making a snap decision to stay out a bit later.

SALaw · 18/07/2026 04:06

I will never understand how there’s so many posts on MN around people leaving their house without a key (not forgotten but planning to not take a key). Who over the age of about 14 walks about without a key to their own home?!?

BeNavyCrab · 18/07/2026 03:45

I really feel for you and understand that caring for someone can be completely overwhelming at times. I'm both a carer and also the person who needs care, so I see both sides of the problem. I don't think your niece really knows how all consuming it can be, both physically and mentally. Even when things are stable, there's never a time where you can just turn off monitoring even if you aren't required to actively do something. So your 4 hours of sleep won't be like an average person's 4 hours. That said, although she had empathy when talking about the situation, she can't put herself in your shoes. Nobody who hasn't experienced long term caring can truly understand how grueling and relentless it can be.

Otherwise she wouldn't have gone out and allowed you to be waiting up for her or she'd not have changed her return time. As you have said yourself you have always been a supporter of her and this is the first time she's sensed your displeasure. She's reacted badly but part of her probably does feel guilty but isn't mature enough to address it. Once she's left, she's buried her head in the sand.

Although the crisis is over, you do need to build some back up or resources so you never get to the point of being likely to have a nervous breakdown. It's not your fault, there's thousands of carers stuck in situations where they are risking their own health and mental wellbeing and are largely unseen.

I would talk to your GP and also ask for a carers assessment from the council. Be completely honest with them about how close you got to burn out and see if you can get some extra help from them. You might not want respite care at the moment but having it organised and available will be invaluable if another crisis occurs. If nothing else it's going to help you to know that there's a back up plan and the feeling of being alone with this burden and nobody else cares if you go under or not.

There may be other things like charities or local groups where you can get support from people who have experience of supporting a loved one. Sometimes just a phone call with a friend who knows and cares can give you enough of a boost to keep going. Or having someone drop a meal round or sit with the person who needs caring for a while so you can sleep.

Grammarninja · 18/07/2026 02:53

Op, you're under extreme stress and fatigue. I think what you're really after is for someone to properly care about you. Your niece has happened upon you in these awful circumstances and hasn't behaved in a way that makes you feel loved and cared for. Her 'flouncing off in tears' suggests that once again, you see someone you care about putting their emotional needs ahead of yours.
I can totally understand why you feel the way you do but your niece hasn't been awful, just inconsiderate in awful circumstances. Don't allow this to ruin your relationship if it has been good to date. She's not capable of understanding what you're going through. She's probably never been weighed down with responsibility, and sleep-deprived to the extent you are.
She cried because she was sad that she had upset you. She cares. Her tears were legitimate though I'm sure you felt they were indulgent considering you could fill a river with your own if you weren't so stoic.
Forgive her. Reach out and explain where your emotions were coming from. You'll need to make the first move as she's just not as experienced in life and hardship as you are and doesn't have a full grasp of the situation.

Saintsgirl7 · 17/07/2026 23:08

I appreciate this is not the point of your thread at all, but I cared for my late husband, if you don't employ carers you will burn out, for your own sake you need to get some in, I know it's not pleasant having people in your home, but if you're not looking after yourself you can't care for someone else.

Btw your niece was a bit of a dick

MayWelland · 17/07/2026 23:05

@Whyohwhy1974 I’m sorry you are going through this. I’ve had my share of sleep deprivation and it messes with everything - hormones, appetite, mood, heart rate. I hope you are snoozing right now.

For when you surface though, can you help clear up the key situation, because I think it does matter to the context.

  1. does she usually have a key and didn’t take it?
  2. did you discuss waiting up/giving her a key beforehand? If so, was it her or you who didn’t want her to take a key?

I think it matters to the context because if you didn’t offer a key, or she asked and you declined, then it changes the story a bit

Freinddilemma · 17/07/2026 22:36

Nobody is in the right here. In her defence:

  • Shes 20. Good people can be thoughtless as fuck in their 20s.
  • She kept you informed: she thought to text you telling you she would be back later than planned, and then was only 30 min later than that (quite good if she was on a night out).

Both of you should have shown each other a little more tolerance, both of you had reasons why you didnt do that.

You are obviously close and love each other. You're at the endnof your tether, shes probably feeling wounded that an aunt she loves and trusts (rightfully) snapped at her.

You have a lot more wisdom and experience than her. Put your mind at rest by sending her a long message that explains why you were the way you were, and apologise for snapping. You should expect an apology back from her and a similar level of self reflection.

5128gap · 17/07/2026 22:36

Well she was in the wrong for staying out so late without a key, knowing you were waiting up. But that's young uns for you, isn't it? They're not always thoughtful.
I'd say the dramatics the next morning were as much knowing she was in the wrong and being upset you weren't pleased with her.
She was practically begging you to reassure her that you were OK with her and that you wanted her to stay.
It sounds like there's a lot of love between the two of you, and it seems a shame to be out of sorts with each other. As the older wiser one, I'd reach out. Tell her she's always welcome and that there's no need to pack her bags over a bit of narkiness between you. And to remember to take a key in future!

RubyHiker · 17/07/2026 22:26

You are tired and passive aggressive. She is young and dramatic. It's all a bit of a storm in a teacup.

Just be the adult and decide to move forward knowing neither of you were your best selves in the moment

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 22:21

Proteinpudding · 17/07/2026 21:53

OP, I understand that you see your niece as an adult and want her to be the 'bigger person' given what a difficult situation you're going through. I get that, and it's not wrong, but just thinking back to what it was like being a twenty year old - I'm not sure most twenty year olds really grasp what that sort of sleep deprivation feels like. Their version of 'tired' is just so far away from the version you experience when older, and that's before genuinely understanding about the stress of the situation.
The fact she left so quickly makes me think she really does think she's doing the right thing by leaving you alone, or has no idea how to fix it other by removing herself from the situation. It does sound like she's a good kid most the time though, and hopefully you can find a way to get back on track.

Yep, a pretty spot on view of it all. I don't want her to be the bigger person as such. Just some acknowledgement that she was a out of line. Yes, she's a good kid. I've had some really rough times over the years but for some reason, this has brought me to my knees in a way I've not experienced before. I've aged 10 years in a month. I look like the living dead. I can't pretend.

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Coconutter24 · 17/07/2026 22:02

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 18:34

I know, I know. That is exactly how she feels. How can one bit of grumpiness and disagreement erase years of support and care though? How can she spiral to such a degree that she thinks because I snapped at her that it means I don't love her for goodness sake. I snapped because of her selfish actions (coupled with my current situation). It's called consequences.

You’re also now feeling the consequences though for being passive aggressive. You’re already going through a tough time so why let this carry on and add more stress to your plate?

Proteinpudding · 17/07/2026 21:53

OP, I understand that you see your niece as an adult and want her to be the 'bigger person' given what a difficult situation you're going through. I get that, and it's not wrong, but just thinking back to what it was like being a twenty year old - I'm not sure most twenty year olds really grasp what that sort of sleep deprivation feels like. Their version of 'tired' is just so far away from the version you experience when older, and that's before genuinely understanding about the stress of the situation.
The fact she left so quickly makes me think she really does think she's doing the right thing by leaving you alone, or has no idea how to fix it other by removing herself from the situation. It does sound like she's a good kid most the time though, and hopefully you can find a way to get back on track.

Whyohwhy1974 · 17/07/2026 21:49

usernumbernotfound · 17/07/2026 21:19

Her niece hasn't grasped it because instead of telling her and spelling it out to her like the adult she is, OP has simply acted irritated and hoped that its implied in her tone.

It isnt enough. If life is hard for you and you are stressed then you need to communicate that to the people in your life so they know. Adopting an arsey passive aggressive tone simply isnt enough as we've seen here.

There is nothing here that actual honest communication wont fix but OP is reluctant to do that for some reason so not sure what anyone can say

She knew I was. If you'd read my replies, it says as much. She knew all too well.

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Bababear987 · 17/07/2026 21:44

OP stop worrying about who's right and wrong and just get over it. Get some sleep, if you have carer burnout then look for solutions that will actually help.
Your niece didnt make you do anything, youve chosen to not give/ leave a key somewhere, make early morning plans whilst staying up late and hosting. She was irresponsible and immature (as 20y olds are) but you also need to manage yourself.

TheClocksFast · 17/07/2026 21:29

Get a spare key cut!

OpheliaHamlet · 17/07/2026 21:23

I really feel for you. I can not cope without sleep. I know no one feels great when they are tired, but it really sends me loopy - I can’t think straight, I get tearful, and my nerves are shot.
You sound like you’ve been having a really tough time. I’m wondering if when she asked to stay, you were just in autopilot, because normally she comes to see you, and there’s no problem.
I would look at this as a learning experience - when you are under a lot of pressure, and someone asks to stay/for something extra, really stop and take a moment to consider whether it’s a good idea. There is no shame in telling someone: ‘Sorry, unfortunately, not this time because X. But hopefully we can make up for it, at X date’.
Right now, concentrate on getting lots of rest, and relax, until you feel more your old self. THEN, reach out to her.
It would be lovely if she reached out first, to you, BUT I remember being 20, and I was terrible with stuff like this. It’s not what I would do now(!), but 20 years ago, at your nieces age, I was very inclined to bury my head in the sand, when it came to conflict, as I didn’t know how to restart the conversation!

Ethelspagetti · 17/07/2026 21:22

I think you have a lot on your plate right now and she was being a bit selfish. I don’t think you should have visitors for a while, just focus on resting when you can.

usernumbernotfound · 17/07/2026 21:19

SummerDive · 17/07/2026 20:28

Not to defend her because reaching those depth of tiredness is awful, I don’t think your niece had any idea of how hard things were/are for you.
Actually I don’t many posters on this thread do either unless they’ve experienced it themselves.

Your niece will have heard exhausted and thought ‘oh yes like when I’m getting up,after a night out’ or ‘when xyz happened and I didn’t sleep very well for 2 nights’. Not the exhaustion you’re describing.
It’s very hard to convey what it actually means. I’ve been tried like this and even when my dcs were babies and not sleeping, I never reached that level of exhaustion.

On that subject, I would assume people haven’t quite grasped how bad it was/is for you.

Her niece hasn't grasped it because instead of telling her and spelling it out to her like the adult she is, OP has simply acted irritated and hoped that its implied in her tone.

It isnt enough. If life is hard for you and you are stressed then you need to communicate that to the people in your life so they know. Adopting an arsey passive aggressive tone simply isnt enough as we've seen here.

There is nothing here that actual honest communication wont fix but OP is reluctant to do that for some reason so not sure what anyone can say