AIBU to think RSE lessons should be separated by sex not gender identity?

Why would she be 'gunning' for anyone?

Its about what's safe, appropriate, necessary, respectful for all children.

I totally agree with this. I cannot imagine girls of this age feeling comfortable asking questions and talking about this freely with boys there. They'd be mortified. And vice versa I'm sure.

I really don't understand why posters are advocating for this to be fully mixed.

Obviously this doesn't mean there can't be some mixed sessions / bots should learn about what happens to girls and vice versa.

As if you’re gunning for your daughters friend.

I’m embarrassed for you.

I’ve taught Year 4 for many years and there are certain lessons that work better separated; neither the (majority of) girls nor boys would feel comfortable asking questions and sharing things if it was mixed. A lot of my children over the years have found these sessions quite hard so this helps create that safe space that they need to make the lessons properly accessible. This decision would have come from management so I would email the school, I’d have been fuming too in your position @Ljcrow .

I wonder how his presence affected the language used in this session. Was the teacher able to refer to “your body”, or, knowing that there was a boy present, did she have to depersonalise the learning by referring to “girls’ bodies”? That is also discriminatory against girls. Boys received a single-sex session tailored to their needs, whereas girls received a mixed-sex generic session.

But it’s perfectly ok to do that whilst still keeping them in single sex groups for some elements.

I have three and work in schools.

Biological sex is the place it should be.

I think you need to raise the question with the school now because there will be future situations where separation by sex matters and the school need to start thinking about how to accommodate this boy without impacting on the girls. If you say nothing they will use the excuse that no one complains so we can just give the boy whatever he wants.

I think the falsehood refers to him being told he will have a female puberty now because he identifies as a girl, when he won't. That's not bigotry

Who’s the idiot here, I wonder?

Don’t think it’s op’s daughter 😂

"Unless your daughter is an idiot she will be well aware that trans and non binary people are not biologically the same as cis people".

How are they biologically different, pray?

The parents don’t get to “state” any such thing.

Have you ever met any children?

Have you ever met any children?

Absolutely this.

People saying that they think puberty should be taught in sex-segregated classes can have an opinion, but this isn't the advice of the DfE.

We're on an anonymous forum and none of us other than OP know this child.

He is a biological male and he can call himself whatever he likes but other people who don't even know him don't have to put up with the delusion and him calling himself she doesn't change the facts.

OP can call him whatever she likes on an anonymous forum and so can anyone else on here because he will never see it and we still have free will.

It’s not inclusive at all. Try and think beyond the immediate picture the OP has painted.

By including a biological male, they are excluding any biological female who doesn’t feel comfortable discussing her periods in the presence of a teenage boy, whatever he happens to be wearing.

It’s teaching those girls that they need to sit down, budge over and shut up when they see a biological male in a supposed single sex environment.

And that boys with short hair and wearing trousers can’t possibly learn about periods, but if one of those same boys wears a skirt and grows his hair, he suddenly becomes female.

Personally, I think that boys should definitely learn about periods and pregnancy etc. Not with the girls because teenagers turn embarrassment into an art form and it stops genuine questions. But they do need to learn, after they’ve learnt about their own biology.

For this talk in 1990 when I was 9, we were separated, and last year my DD was. She actually commented ‘I’m so glad it wasn’t in front of the boys’. I agree both sexes need to learn about the experience of the other, but they can do this without having to hear about intimate things that they find embarrassing, in front of the opposite sex.

That poor child. As pps have said, he is learning about a puberty that he’ll never have, for a pretence that he is a female which he’ll never be, and the girls including your DD are props in this disturbing psychodrama. I think I might need to say something to the school.

The "DfE Guidance on Gender Questioning Children" was a draft guidance which went out for consultation in December 2023. It was never to be actioned. From September 2026 the new Keeping Children Safe in Education document has statutory points about supporting this cohort of children. It does not say that primary aged children should not socially transition, it says (as with all safeguarding decisions) the child should be at the centre of decisions which should be made on a case-by-case basis. At primary age, parents should be involved. (Also ideally at secondary too, but risk of harm must be weighed up).

This child has clearly socially transitioned with parental support, therefore the school have acted in accordance with the statutory documentation available. (Prior to this publication there was NO statutory guidance, merely a draft guidance which was never made it to publication, which schools should never have done more with other than responding to the consultation).

However, I have never come across segregation of RSHE in Year 4, and actually it is considered to be at best poor practice, and at worst discriminatory, to separate lessons by sex in a mixed-sex setting.

I don't understand why anyone would think this is a positive thing for him. In the class are they just going to pretend that he'll get a period too? Why would anyone do that to a confused child?

"she will be well aware that trans and non binary people are not biologically the same as cis people."

Please enlighten us, what biological differences are there?