AIBU to think RSE lessons should be separated by sex not gender identity?

In year 4 all the kids should receive the same sex education together. Why separate them? Boys should understand about how women's bodies work and girls should know about men's. They wouldn't be talking about anything inappropriate at that age.

This.

I agree that both sexes need to be taught about both their own bodies/ puberty and about what puberty is like for the opposite sex, but they especially need to learn about their own sexed body and what to expect.

This boy has deliberately been excluded from learning about his own body. It's hard to understand how even those who prioritise boys and men above girls and women would be in favour of that.

Only 0.018% of the population have chromosomes which don't match their phenotypic sex. Any teenager who doesn't go through puberty as expected for their sex does need to know what is and isn't normal. Some intersex issues like testicles which have remained in the early foetal location in the groin may need surgery due to the high cancer risk, and shouldn't be ignored

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

And it’s not difficult for girls to be provided with a single-sex space in which to discuss issues that will only affect them, just as the boys were provided with in this case.

Have everyone learn the information they need to know. It’s not difficult. Except that this boy has not been given that opportunity. The boy who was inserted into the girls’ class needs to understand that these things will not to him! He has been mistreated by being treated as if he was a girl.

Again, no.one is suggesting they shouldn't be given the information, just as girls should be taught about what boys deal with. But you can do that AND have separate sessions

Right…and what? none of that makes boys being aware of periods a bad thing. Have everyone learn all the information. it’s not difficult,

In an ideal world yes. But plenty of girls may not have that kind of parent and I'd sooner take an hour one afternoon to give them a chance to ask whatever they'd like to then wake up one morning bleeding in their pants and not knowing what to.do.

That's a parent's job.

Im sure they do and as I said, it's absolutely right that both sexes learn about the other but in addition to that, there should be separate opportunities for discussion.

Genuinely I thought it was a good thing to have joint lessons about it all now, and assumed that's what all schools now did.

Can I ask genuinely? It really never occurred to you that adolescent and prepubescent girls might not want to discuss this with boys present? It never occurred to you that it might stifle questions? Even in a normal lesson about history or something, girls will frequently be reticent and let loud, confident boys dominate (or try to, I dont allow it). That's a whole other discussion but in this area, its crucial that that dynamic is not present.

Oh they're not obtuse. It’s a deliberate reframing of reasonable concerns to try and make an unreasonable fabrication appear to be our issue.

When I was in primary school (late 90's/early 2000's) the boys did not learn about periods at all, so now that my son is in primary school all children learning everything together seemed like progress to me. I do take the point that some girls might want to discuss without boys there though, hadn't thought of that.
I remember very clearly having to watch a video about erections in year 6, but the boys were not even shown so much as a sanitary towel.

Surprised at the number of obtuse posters on here..I don't think anyone has said, or thinks, that boys should not be taught about periods, but as a teacher of 30 years, it is absolutely right that each sex should have some time with the teacher delivering this that is single sex. Regardless of how we adults may feel, young girls will, on the whole, be less likely to speak up, ask questions, share an experience if boys are present.
As for intersex, that community has repeatedly and loudly asked NOT to be dragged into the trans conversation and used as a gotcha. Any child with a DSD will be unique in their own way and have an individual, appropriate approach. Their very minority presence does not justify every female child being deprived of the opportunity to have a safe space to discuss female biology.

Yeah that’s not how it works though. I enquired at the school office whether a male relation of a staff member who was often on the school site was DBS vetted - that male, his wife and her mother who all worked at the school blanked me for a full year.

Hang on a minute - im disagreeing with the pp who said boys shouldn’t be in the lessons at all. My son deserves to learn about periods. I personally find it odd they’re separating the class, fair enough 10 mins at the end for gender specific questions.

and no, in my opinion a long haired boy isn’t a girl any way round you cut it.

No one should find out that it’s you who complains, that would be a massive breach on the part of the school and cause for investigation of who is disclosing confidential info.

School need to understand they have gone wrong here.

I am now even wondering what else they let this boy do.

Girls need to know it is biologically normal to get periods so they know something is 'wrong' if they don't and so they go to their GP. Therefore it can't be taught you might get periods or you might not because we are all different!

What?! This is abject nonsense! Little 8 and 9 year olds are already wrapping their heads around a lot, let alone baffling them with a load of add-on crap!

You are, of course, exactly right OP.

i said as much as we cross posted.

There are some moronic posts on this thread.

@Ljcrow

School should not have done this. In fact, I think it could be unlawful.

They need to have a good reason to teach boys and girls separately. Once that good reason has been established then they can’t just let one boy in with the girls. And they must ensure that both sexes get an equivalent experience as otherwise it would be unlawful sex discrimination.

Please do complaint about this. Head over to the Feminisam board if you want support with writing in.

Whose saying he should t know anything about it?

Of course he should be educated about it. But that doesn't mean it's not valuable for girls to have their own time to discuss without boys present.