Bring back the death penalty in this case

That's what I read too.

I had totally forgotten about Mark Thomas - I remember him from Mary Whitehouse - he was so incisive!

Is this not the case where the baby was left out in the cold while the parent drank/took drugs/whatever and was frozen, so mother misguidedly tried to warm her with a hairdryer? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

You really don't understand that psalm at all.

Psalm 137 is about what the Babylonians did. It’s not a commandment, silly. Try reading the book.

From what has come out about this story so far I really don’t understand what happened . It’s absolutely horrendous and disgusting and I feel so sorry for that poor little baby . But I don’t know enough about it to comment if the death penalty would be warranted. I find it weird that someone who claims to be Christian would be advocating for the death penalty . I’m not a Christian but thought it was all about forgiveness and stuff like that. Excuse my ignorance if this isn’t true

Absolutely this.

The opening poster calls themselves a christian yet chooses to ignore both a commandment (that you shouldn't kill) and scriptures. Romans 12:19 ".... Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord".

As a life long atheist (but brought up in a country that is nominally Christian) the hypocrisy is breathtaking, but not unexpected.

The problem is, there is often a total inability to recognise this fact, so the presumption is that people committing heinous acts are invariably "monsters", or "evil", and that's nothing more than a convenient distraction from the fact that they are human, and human beings sometimes do terrible things under certain circumstances. There is no such thing as evil, just unwell, aberrant, and atypical human beings.

I don't think this is true. The "certain circumstances" for Ian Huntley, for example, were probably just that he was sexually attracted to the ten-year-old girls who walked past his house, so he lured them in, assaulted them, and then killed them so they couldn't go to the police. Sounds pretty evil to me.

The death penalty isn't going to be reinstated and for many a good reason.
A pp mentioned Comedian Mark Thomas take on the death penalty vv funny and apt.

because in my analysis it proves how inhumane some humans are to other humans sometimes the only suitable punishment is the death penalty, thats why they do it

Preston was deliberately abused, and for sexual purposes. A quick read on this case suggests it wasn't deliberate abuse, so the outcome is the same, but intent is not.

I don’t think these threads are remotely about the death penalty.

I think there are some sick fucks on mn who positively relish the idea of being able to write in graphic details about the harm that is done to tiny children.

Every time there is a child murder or serious abuse case the threads appear, with people writing about the horrific things that are done to said child, and then to other children who have been killed recently etc etc.

I read the first page of the thread and there were several references to child killings with details of what was done to them.

Do some of the people here get some kind of kick out of being able to relive that kind of harm done to small children? Because that’s what it looks like.

WRT the death penalty, two wrongs don’t make a right. That is all.

With regards to the rest, enough!!!!! people don’t need to read about it, and nobody should be wanting to write out the details of horrendous child killings on a public platform.

So maybe ask yourselves why some people are so intent on doing so.

my answer was based on you saying Prison is appropriate., but to some people because of the length of the sentences compared with other crimes etc some people think the death penalty is better overall ?

That's not really an answer. What's it to you that this woman killed her own child? She's gone to prison for it. The teeth gnashing is really primitive.

because sometimes the sentence does not suit the crime

While it's a horrible story I've never understood why cases like this elicit such primitive rage in some people. Prison is appropriate.

I agree with the comedian Mark Thomas.

Have a referendum on it. If you vote yes and it goes through your name is put on a register. Every time there's a miscarriage of justice, everyone whose name is on the register, is put in a lottery. The winner is then picked up by the state and executed. Eye for an eye etc..

The state murders its citizens to prove that murder is wrong? No. Does not compute. I think most people who support capital punishment come purely from a place of vengeance and you really have to look at your moral make up in that case. I honestly thought we’d moved on and were more of an enlightened species these days. If we move more towards state-sanctioned violence then don’t be surprised if the rates of violent crime go up. There will always be criminals, there will always be crime, but the vast majority of us know better than to turn crime into a tit for tat scenario - what next? Back to hangings in public? Some crimes are horrifying - but responding in an equally horrific way will not bring back the person against whom the offence is committed nor will it prohibit future horrific offences.

We don’t need the Christian clap trap. Religion is responsible for a lot of evil crimes. You don’t have to be religious to be sickened by this murder.

ok my bad, fair points

sorry no

it’s awful and I understand how you feel but I don’t want the state to start murdering people

the death penalty is always wrong

So a woman who is convicted of killing her child should be executed. I take it you would have been 100% in favour of executing Sally Clark then - after all, she was convicted of killing two of her children.

Of course, the fact it was later proved she was convicted on dodgy evidence and additional forensics suggested natural causes might throw a teeny spanner in the works but I’m sure saying sorry to her family after she was already dead would sort that, right?

Equally, not protecting her in custody and letting the other prisoners finish her off - all good according to some posters?

My issue is using religion as a reason to be in favour of the death penalty. Which is what I said in my post. I’m not in the military so I’m comfortable with my stance on this.

then how do we explain having a military ?