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Bring back the death penalty in this case

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ThisWiseRobin · 17/07/2026 11:04

AIBU to wish for the death penalty. How a mother can kill her baby with a hairdryer.
I read this to my husband who asked me to stop and was crying.
I'm Christian and am taught that all but one sin is forgivable.
BUT Our Lord also said that to harm one little one , you are better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.
While some interpretations claim it means misleading them, I think it's much more than this.
Today I feel bereft of love for the human race.
Of course this monster will claim Domestic violence, drugs , mental health etc.
I hope, as there is no death penalty, that she spends the rest of her life begging to die.
Sorry right now, all I can say is "Father forgive them. For they know not what they do".....because right now I Can't.

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Netcurtainnelly · 17/08/2026 14:11

https://news.sky.com/story/double-murderer-simon-levy-denies-attack-on-prison-officer-13573944

What about this piece of excretement.💩💩💩

When they start attacking officers as well. It's time. Why should an officer have to put up with this at work and how will we recruit?

LizzieW1969 · 23/07/2026 16:26

RedTagAlan · 23/07/2026 14:40

The CofE just recently had their Arch Bishop of Canturbury over it. And just yesterday an ozzie friend in a grpup chat I am in was saying there is another high profile case there.

Yes, I’ve been following the Church of England scandals concerning Justin Welby. I have hope that the new Archbishop of Canterbury will be more robust in how she deals with abusers in the church. She’s made the right noises, but time will tell.

The churches where I’ve been a member during the last 16 years have had robust safeguarding in place. I wouldn’t have attended otherwise, particularly because I’ve had my DDs to think about.

I will certainly never hesitate to condemn any church that fails to take action to protect children in their congregations.

RedTagAlan · 23/07/2026 14:40

LizzieW1969 · 23/07/2026 14:26

^Sadly this still goes on, with the justification that reporting abusers brings ‘shame’ on the church. A close friend was told by her pastor that she shouldn’t report her H after he sexually abused her DD. (They still did report him, though her DD couldn’t go through with it.)

That really shocked me. I knew it had happened when my DSis and I were sexually abused by our F as children, but I previously believed that things had changed for the better. (And they have in a lot of churches, but this secrecy still exists quite clearly.)

The CofE just recently had their Arch Bishop of Canturbury over it. And just yesterday an ozzie friend in a grpup chat I am in was saying there is another high profile case there.

LizzieW1969 · 23/07/2026 14:26

RedTagAlan · 23/07/2026 03:55

Churches are infamous for hiding them. Not reporting them. Moving them. Covering up for them.

^Sadly this still goes on, with the justification that reporting abusers brings ‘shame’ on the church. A close friend was told by her pastor that she shouldn’t report her H after he sexually abused her DD. (They still did report him, though her DD couldn’t go through with it.)

That really shocked me. I knew it had happened when my DSis and I were sexually abused by our F as children, but I previously believed that things had changed for the better. (And they have in a lot of churches, but this secrecy still exists quite clearly.)

EvieBB · 23/07/2026 11:10

RedTagAlan · 23/07/2026 03:55

Churches are infamous for hiding them. Not reporting them. Moving them. Covering up for them.

Absolutely this!

EvieBB · 23/07/2026 11:09

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/07/2026 18:44

I find judgemental Christians a very odd bunch of people.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. - just a thought.

Exactly. OP is too stupid to see the irony......

Tillow4ever · 23/07/2026 11:09

OP do you even live in the UK?

pimplebum · 23/07/2026 11:04

How about we improve mental health services ?

EvieBB · 23/07/2026 11:02

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:14

Of course you don't care. Your life is rootless. You do not understand the anger of the God of all creation. His anger is fearful, and his love for us outrageous. But you shrug it off.

Don't talk utter shit. Your life is batshit

EvieBB · 23/07/2026 11:01

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:05

You are cherry picking your scriptures.
Jesus says turn the other cheek...he is speaking to a crowd of ordinary people, about forgiveness.
Judges says an eye for an eye .....because its about punishment fitting the crime for law keepers. We are supposed to trust those in this position to carry out the punishment fitting the crime.
But then as atheist you would love to poke any holes in the vengeance of almighty God and the instructions he gave to his Judges. But brush off God's vengeance at your peril.

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You are cherry picking also!
I agree, that your hypcrisy is breathtaking....

LiveLuvLaugh · 23/07/2026 05:58

HoppingPavlova · 17/07/2026 11:46

I’m happy to take the death penalty off the table. However, I don’t believe people should be protected in prison. They can take their chances, pretty much like everyone else in society had to take their chances with them and their crimes. Seems fair. That will then pretty much take care of the situation in most cases, problem solved.

I would prefer to live in a state which has capital punishment rather than one which confines criminals to a situation where they will be tortured and killed by others who will then be criminalised. I think the state is morally responsible either way. Any philosophers here who can help me figure out why I find post this suggestion so morally repugnant?

RedTagAlan · 23/07/2026 05:42

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:05

You are cherry picking your scriptures.
Jesus says turn the other cheek...he is speaking to a crowd of ordinary people, about forgiveness.
Judges says an eye for an eye .....because its about punishment fitting the crime for law keepers. We are supposed to trust those in this position to carry out the punishment fitting the crime.
But then as atheist you would love to poke any holes in the vengeance of almighty God and the instructions he gave to his Judges. But brush off God's vengeance at your peril.

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Quote "Judges says an eye for an eye .....because its about punishment fitting the crime for law keepers. We are supposed to trust those in this position to carry out the punishment fitting the crime."

An eye for an eye is an interesting one. And please correct me if I am wrong, I am just an atheist. An ex Christian one though. So I do know some of the Bible.

" An eye for an eye" first appears in Exodus 21. The Mosaic slave laws, and it refers to slaves. People other people own. The OT is big on that. Owning people is ok. Indeed, it is ordered.

It is expanded in Lev 24:20 - breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he puts a blemish in a man so it is done in him. (LSV). But it is a bit awkward to use the Leviticus version, because Leviticus is just stuffed full of capital offences. So if religious folk want to use that version, they really should follow all of Leviticus. And no pork allowed. Leviticus is big on that.

Deu 19:21 And your eye does not pity--life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.. Thats about witnesses.

Going back to your quote " "Judges says an eye for an eye...". Nope, it's not in Judges.

Next Jesus mentions it in Mat 5. Sermon on the mount, And that is where he says turn the other cheek. It is one of the few Mosaic laws that Jesus specifically mentions and overrides.

So I reckon Christians should follow the Jesus version.

And as I mentioned above, if people decide to keep a select few of the 635 or so Mosaic laws, then really, they should keep them all. Including the real non fun ones, such as about women on their period , as described in Lev 15. So if anyone wants the OT "eye for an eye", it's off to the shed for a week during periods. No shell fish. And no garments of mixed material as per Lev 19:19. And lots of stoning.

So yup. If a Cristian wants " an eye for an eye", they should be prepared to do all the other stuff that comes with it. In my opinion anyway.

NotMeAtAll · 23/07/2026 05:27

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:11

If you did you would be in a whole world of pain.

So who gets to cast the first stone?

RedTagAlan · 23/07/2026 04:03

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:14

Of course you don't care. Your life is rootless. You do not understand the anger of the God of all creation. His anger is fearful, and his love for us outrageous. But you shrug it off.

Goodness me. This is your thread about the death sentence, and although you said in your first post that you are Christian, it turns out you appear to be of the OT sort and are keen on the vengeful God stuff.

Problem with that is, there is no God or Gods. They were invented by man. So if you are going to claim to know what "your" God thinks, you really should tackle the first hurdle of proving your God exists.

RedTagAlan · 23/07/2026 03:55

Newsenmum · 22/07/2026 18:16

The issue is that when the deafh penalty exists, pedos and child abusers dont get caught. They get hidden by other family members ans protected because despite anything, they dont want that person to die. Unfortunately the death penalty wont solve why it happened.

Churches are infamous for hiding them. Not reporting them. Moving them. Covering up for them.

Motuihe · 22/07/2026 22:13

Maybe also for the killers of PC HArper who might be on early release. Disgusting country

BabblingBiddy · 22/07/2026 21:58

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/07/2026 18:44

I find judgemental Christians a very odd bunch of people.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. - just a thought.

Me too. And I'm a Christian!

YourOliveBalonz · 22/07/2026 18:47

How about lean not on your own understanding, eh ‘wise’ robin? Something in that one I think.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/07/2026 18:44

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:14

Of course you don't care. Your life is rootless. You do not understand the anger of the God of all creation. His anger is fearful, and his love for us outrageous. But you shrug it off.

I find judgemental Christians a very odd bunch of people.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. - just a thought.

Howmuchisthatparrotinthewindow · 22/07/2026 18:34

God my arse. What a load of shite.

ChickenBananaBanana · 22/07/2026 18:32

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:14

Of course you don't care. Your life is rootless. You do not understand the anger of the God of all creation. His anger is fearful, and his love for us outrageous. But you shrug it off.

Ezekiel 23:20

ChalkOutlines · 22/07/2026 18:16

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:11

If you did you would be in a whole world of pain.

Then don’t call yourself a Christian.

Newsenmum · 22/07/2026 18:16

The issue is that when the deafh penalty exists, pedos and child abusers dont get caught. They get hidden by other family members ans protected because despite anything, they dont want that person to die. Unfortunately the death penalty wont solve why it happened.

ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:14

QuintadosMalvados · 18/07/2026 06:40

I don't know and I don't care to be honest.
I am an atheist, there is no masterplan and in the case of certain crimes I don't particularly care why.

Of course you don't care. Your life is rootless. You do not understand the anger of the God of all creation. His anger is fearful, and his love for us outrageous. But you shrug it off.

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ThisWiseRobin · 22/07/2026 18:11

ChalkOutlines · 22/07/2026 18:07

Shouldn’t you leave it up to God to judge?

If you did you would be in a whole world of pain.

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