School refusing access to exam results

Perhaps you should should consider private school? They will be more likely to cater to your specific requests.

Your child is already exceeding expectations in the core areas. IME for the others subject, schools tend not to give work that would be marked at 'greater depth' and therefore can't be awarded such. Even if your child was performing Beethoven symphanies, if it's not covered, it couldn't be awarded.

I think you really need to ask yourself why you are so pushy? Your child is excelling in the main areas. For the others, why not take them to museums related to history topics, galleries to see the artwork of the artisits theyvecovered in real life, watch programmes or visit places covered by geography, take them to different styles of concerts for music?

I thought this thread was going to be about actual GCSE or A level exams 😂.

If you want to do something at home to identify gaps, buy a y2 CGP workbook and see what she can/can’t do over the summer.

They probably don't want them to become a massive thing. Something kids stress over and parents start helping them revise for. They want them to be relatively low key. SATs became a negative thing sometimes because of that. Especially when they are only seven.

If you are that bothered, rather than just being a PITA, set her some tests at home and see how she gets on.

I can answer this. I expect there is quite a few teachers answering as some have already broken up. Teachers are leaving their careers in droves atm. One of the reasons is the lack of respect, the constant questioning from parents asking you to justify why you’ve done what you’ve done. No other professions have to put up with this.

Same age ds. His end of year tests were shared with us but not him. I know on a good day he’d have got more right, but I also know his maths and spelling are strong and his reading comprehension is really poor so all the test did was reinforce what I already know.

If you don’t know where your dc is find things hard then either you aren’t concentrating on shadowing his homework or you aren’t having the right conversations with his teacher.

I also know that tests at age 7 won’t tell me much about his future performance. My dd was similar to my ds and now she’s targeting straight 9s at gcse.

Of course some kids are super bright and well trained to do testing at age 7+ but state school kids aren’t prepared to be tested so often they don’t perform well at this age

Let the school guide you they know what they are doing!!

You don't need to see the SATS results.
If you are concerned, or want to support your child then you can ask the school.
For example, you could ask what maths scheme they use and see if there are any text books you can buy. Or, ask if the curriculum for next year is set so you can see what they'll be doing in English.
As an ex school governor you're worrying way too much. Schools don't disclose too much because of the way some parents perceive and react to 'failure'. We had instances of children being hit by the parent for not getting "exceeds" on all categories on the SATS.

Unless you have serious concerns about your child at a school please don’t ask for a SAR so you can access a test result.

So. Think this through. You want the teacher to spend time in a partnership with you detailing, alongside all their usual ways of communication - parents evening, the 5 books sent home etc etc - the results of an internal test. Say they had 30 minutes today and the plan was to use that 30 minutes to teach the children algebra. Now you want them to spend ten of those minutes sorting something extra out just for you. Let’s say 2 other, equally entitled, parents ask for the something different they want to muscle in on for their child. Thirty minutes are now gone. Sorry 30 children, we’re not learning algebra today, we’re dealing with bespoke parental requests.
As a teacher, I can tell you, it goes on and on and on.
please - just let teachers get on with their jobs instead of constantly wasting their time.

Get a day in what?! You sound like “one of those” parents and an utter nightmare.

I'm assuming that as parents have responsibility for their their children, a Subject Data Access Request would deliver the information. A sledgehammer to crack a nut but fundamentally parents are entotled to this information in relation to the assessment and progress of their children. The only reason I can see for witholding it, is to be opaque about the standardsnof and consistency around teaching. It measures the teachers' performance as much as the childrens'.

I kind of get where you are coming from, but not everything you do with your child has to be academic learning. What can you do to help? Teach your child life skills, involve her in what you are doing, cooking, baking, gardening, using the washing machine, hoovering - all really useful. Going through recipe books, choosing what to have for tea, going to the supermarket, how much will it all cost, Following recipes. Learning new skills, find an app and learn a language together, bulk that out by learning about the country, cook something from that country, (we love cooking, can you tell!). Learning new skills like how to use a train timetable,

not everything needs to be academic learning.

I actually did get some of the results for my DDs testing but only because she gets support for learning in some areas. They actually mean nothing as they’re standardised and averages and just an indicator of where they sit nationally. If you’re being told she’s meeting or exceeding expectations then fine, if she’s not where they think she should be they will speak to you about it and what both the school and you need to do to support DD. Use the resources you have (eg likes of book) to see where you think she needs help if you must.

Edited to add, the kids don’t get told their scores either.

My kids’ school did this in secondary. Something about getting a snapshot of…I don’t know…something. It was made clear it was for internal use/information only, to guide the teachers in their instruction of the kids. Neither the kids or parents were given the results. No doubt because the test itself had no bearing on any official result. It was just a tool. It makes sense to keep them confidential, because parents would no doubt engage in the “my child got x% how did yours go?”, and draw conclusions from that.

I would imagine that if she got all the fractions questions wrong, then her report will say that she struggles with fractions.

I suspect they don't want to send scores home because that will lead to parents making comparisons, and possibly children too, which is not helpful.

Are you in Wales? Are they the personalised assessment results? In my experience schools don’t want to share this sort of information because if your child is struggling they won’t want you to know because they’ll have to put some effort in. You can request any information you want about your child’s education record using a data access request and legally they have to give you the information. A teacher in my children’s school told me that.

Hi OP

My DS is year 2 and last month he did his year 2 SATs there nothing major but they are tests just to see where the children are upto at the end of KS1. You will have an idea of how well DD has done in her year end school report. So to give you an idea I got my DS report this week the 3 core areas (Maths, Reading & writing) are what they focus more on at this stage my DS was marked as greater depth in 2 of those and on track for the other. You then get all the other subjects inc science and PE etc again my DS was greater depth or on track in all of them. At this stage of their school journey though whilst it's nice to see how well they are doing academically it really is more about how they are coping with school, friendships etc in my opinion anyway. If School have concerns I'm sure they will advise and I would expect they wouldn't wait to hit you with it in the end of year report.

These are almost certainly KS1 SATs. I’m surprised school use the word ‘exams’, as this gives the tests a lot more gravitas than they warrant. The tests are about an hour long, not all day, and are usually done in the classroom. We used them to identify progress of both the individual and the class, and to identify any areas where extra input might be required. The results were never published, as the tests weren’t mandatory. Your child’s report will show their progress.

The core subject results are what the schools have to report to Government at end of Y6. They will also report them to governors/Trustees after each data drop.

If your DD is working at greater depth level then she is doing well. If she wants to do extra school work over the summer there are books you can buy, but only if she wants to do it. Otherwise, let her have fun, plenty of reading and you can always bring in things like maths in practical ways eg measuring when cooking etc.

Schools should have on their websites their curriculum for each subject for each year. So you can get an idea of what she will be learning next year. Remember, our Government cram a huge amount in the curriculum. Good for a child to have a break before the next onslaught! If in England it’s only about 6 weeks before they are back at school

I get what op means - theyve done the test- presumably ks1 sats- and dont even get given any results.
Our school did STAR assessmrnts and over 2 kids we only have seen 1 set for probably 5 years. Though i have asked in PE and verbally given. One meeting was particularly interesting as the teacher was saying dc2 wasnt that great at reading, i didnt agree. .. anyway i asked what the STAR reports said - 2 years ahead of age so…

DC2 also in ks1 sats when they were compulsory got like 98 on reading. Well, i knew that was not right. So we did the test at home and what a surprise almost full marks. So i said to that teacher erm what happened there - its clearly not right. But they couldnt say. Because it was statutory i assume at that stage the difference between ks1 to ks1 was also reported about schools. But i think what likely happened is because the ks1 tests last until the kid wants to stop, dc1 had just decided to stop half way through. Probably shows you cant test 7yo.

I 100% would have preferred my kids to progress in school when there were levels as the school really dont push more able kids at all. And met/exceeded is very wishy washy.

Also from a conversation with a ks2 teacher x didnt start this year exceeding so wont end it exceeding. WTF! So then absolutely no effort to move kids upwards then. Anyway they were wrong and the kid got exceeding.

At secondary we mostly get tests back. But no results are shown on reports. They scale against the yeargroup for each subject. But thing is with so many classes inevitably the teaching isnt the same anyway. (1-2 classes seem to have done a lot of sparx science but dd class have done none).
i would much prefer end of year exams - maybe even from primary. Our end of each topic ones at secondary are silly as its not consolidating large amounts and i think will lead to worse gcse results. Plus every homework almost is revision from y7 and so missed work there

It sounds like you have a child that is already working above expectation for Core subjects and at expectation for others for the year. I also have a DS (year 3) who is like this. Its incredibly frustrating when you ask how can you help and support them to improve and you get a 'there is nothing' answer. We've also never got a score for any tests they did in Year 2 other than a 'he's one of the top' in his parent evening. But I remind myself that his teacher knows him academically best so to take their advise. This year we did get some feedback on a small area to improve upon.

We have taken to home workbooks (DS actually loves to do these in his spare time strangely) and reading at a higher level generally now.

So it sounds like she is doing really well.
I don't think primary schools can ever really assess the non core subjects accurately as there isn't standardised papers for these. If you wanted to boost her knowledge in these subjects then look at exploring them at home, pointing out geographical features, going to museums and looking at historical events.

Just to also add, apart from year 6 SATs the assessments are generally sat in the classroom. We have a class of 30 so no way of spacing them out. Therefore they are not always going to be the best measure when you spot Sally taking a sneaky peak at what the person sat next to her has written.

Honestly OP, you are massively overthinking. The "exams" will have been on the core subjects, and you know she's doing well there. They won't have made her sit an exam in music, geography, PE etc. She's clearly doing ok across the board but if want to help her, at her age, take her to the odd museum, watch horrible histories, do some fun science experiments, stick the radio on and talk to her about what music she likes and why. Go run around the park throwing a ball etc.

@Myskyscolour blame the Government! These are the ‘grades’ they expect schools to use now. Obviously private schools can do their own thing