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AIBU to feel uncomfortable about anti-English vibes from family?

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Notcominhomenow · 16/07/2026 15:29

I'm English, my DH is Argentinian, and we have a 2-year-old DS.

I've always got on well with his family and we've visited them a few times or theyve come here. I speak the language fluently and am fairly integrated in that sense. DH has lived in the UK for 13 years and has always been very clear that he'd never move back to Argentina because of the economic situation there.

This week's football match was the first time England and Argentina have played each other since we've been together. I supported England (as I always would) and DH supported Argentina. Neither of us are particularly hardcore football fans, so we watched it without any issues like mature adults.

The wider family has been a different story though. My BIL and some of DH's cousins have been sharing anti-English posts on social media, "The Falklands are Argentinian" posts, and videos in the family WhatsApp group after the match showing people in DH's hometown chanting that the Falklands belong to Argentina and waving inflammatory flags. It's a very conservative small town.

I genuinely can't imagine my own family sharing any anti-Argentinian content or trying to inflame tensions like that if the situation were reversed.

I've never had particularly strong feelings about the Falklands issue or cared that much, but I can't help feeling there's just no need for thus politicisation of a sport. Most of the people posting are the younger members of the family, but they seem to have forgotten that both me and DS are English. It just feels unnecessary and, if I'm honest, a bit disrespectful. The older ones haven't said anything or have been more diplomatic.

It's also made me wonder about the future. Am I being unreasonable to worry that, as DS gets older, they might try to influence him with those kinds of views? I obviously expect him to know and appreciate both sides of his heritage, but I wouldn't be comfortable with anyone trying to push very political or nationalistic opinions onto him.

We were due to sort an Argentinian passport for DS (already has British and Italian) but now I don't feel that enthusiastic about the whole thing. Dh isn't bothered about the citizenship, it was mainly me who was driving it so he'd have more options when he's older.

Would this bother anyone else, or am I overthinking it? I just feel a bit shit and uncomfortable about the whole thing and that a stupid football match has brought out a very ugly side of people I considered family.

I don't really want to turn it into an issue as if these are personal posts meant for me, DH says its young family members being immature. I've muted everyone on social media for now for the foreseeable so I don't have to see anything else.

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Gastropod · 17/07/2026 06:01

I think you probably need a thicker skin. This kind of thing, though unpleasant, happens all the time and between so many nationalities depending on which side of history they are (or think they are) on.

Maybe as an English person you aren’t used to it. But you hear it against Germans, French (cheese eating surrender monkeys, anyone?) and so forth, especially from anyone who sees their nation as having won WW2 (on behalf of or against whichever other nation that they are choosing to berate). Rise above it and above all, don’t feed the trolls!

SeaAndSangria · 17/07/2026 02:32

Sartre · 16/07/2026 15:39

It does get brought up, more the war rather than Hitler. I remember jokes when we beat them in a World Cup years ago, I believe we beat them 2-0 so I’ll let you guess what the jokes were.

Is that the one that goes "Two world wars and one world cup, doo dah, doo dah...." 🎤🎶😁

Yeah, it's just the way it is, OP.
I don't watch football but family does. Silly songs and competitive "banter" is part of it.
It'll all be over soon, thank goodness and go back to normal

pikkumyy77 · 16/07/2026 23:59

pinkstripeycat · 16/07/2026 23:52

The Falklands never belonged to Argentina.
English navigator John Davis recorded the first sighting of the islands in 1592. Captain John Strong made the first recorded landing in 1690, naming "Falkland Sound" after the Viscount Falkland. Argentina didn’t even exist back then!

Many people there are of Scottish descent. The islanders don’t want to belong to Argentina. They see themselves as British.

Ok that is your perspective but its clearly not Argentinas.

pinkstripeycat · 16/07/2026 23:52

pikkumyy77 · 16/07/2026 15:32

Maybe they consider the falklands to be an instance of British anti argentinian sentiment and aggression? I don’t mean to be rude about it but I think if you look at history generally “the past isn’t dead, its not even past.” Countries remember and regret the loss of territory for hundreds of years let alone 40 or so.

The Falklands never belonged to Argentina.
English navigator John Davis recorded the first sighting of the islands in 1592. Captain John Strong made the first recorded landing in 1690, naming "Falkland Sound" after the Viscount Falkland. Argentina didn’t even exist back then!

Many people there are of Scottish descent. The islanders don’t want to belong to Argentina. They see themselves as British.

Notashamed13 · 16/07/2026 23:46

SpottyPyjama · 16/07/2026 15:41

To be fair, the Falklamds should be Argentinian. We can’t expect recent history to be completely ignored just because the reality of British colonialism makes some people uncomfortable.

England doesn’t get to treat the rest of the world as if it owns them and then complain when they are disliked.

Ever been there? Try telling the locals that.

maxslice · 16/07/2026 23:41

My uni professor said the Falkland’s conflict was like two bald men fighting over a comb.

hourglass2 · 16/07/2026 23:20

backformoreofthesame · 16/07/2026 16:03

But that’s exactly what a lot of the hate is about

country a takes over part of country b and the respects country b to be happy and polite at all times , refusing to acknowledge the fact that they are not happy about it even if it doesn’t bother you - of course it doesn’t !

it’s like person a abusing person b- stealing some jewels- no one would expect person a to forget about it even if b is happy they get to wear the jewels all the time

Please educate yourself, it's embarrassing....

hourglass2 · 16/07/2026 23:14

Notcominhomenow · 16/07/2026 15:43

I'm not opposed to them being given back. Never had a strong view on the matter as I said.

I'm certainly not an English nationalist

Give back? You can't give something back that wasn't theirs to start with

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 16/07/2026 23:10

Didyousaynutella · 16/07/2026 22:26

The first ever person to set foot on the Falklands was British. It was then settled by French, British and Spanish. The British eventually governing it. They left it undefended for a time when they were stretched which is when the Spanish invaded. The British took it back and have been there ever since. They settled the islands before Argentina was even a country. A country created by colonialism. It is no different to them wanting to take over any country that is near them. In fact they thought about invading Chile’s islands instead but decided to try the Falklands as they thought it would be easier. There is no giving it back. They never had it and the people there choose to be British because who would want a corrupt country like Argentina governing them.

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Also I believe that most of the Falkland Islanders are of Scottish descent!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 16/07/2026 23:08

But I do agree with you that these family members and a lot of Argentinian supporters were being total dicks.

Tbh they can say what they like about the Falklands, they won’t be able to take them back.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 16/07/2026 23:07

Notcominhomenow · 16/07/2026 15:36

Maybe, but this was a football match???

Do we bring up Hitler every time the Germans play us???

Some English people do to be fair! They’ve got a whole song about it that they sing even if not playing Germany.

JHound · 16/07/2026 23:04

pikkumyy77 · 16/07/2026 15:32

Maybe they consider the falklands to be an instance of British anti argentinian sentiment and aggression? I don’t mean to be rude about it but I think if you look at history generally “the past isn’t dead, its not even past.” Countries remember and regret the loss of territory for hundreds of years let alone 40 or so.

They would have to be massively uneducated to think that.

The Falklands were British before Argentina ever existed, the Falklands war was started by Argentina invading a foreign entity and referendums in Falklands consistently reject Argentinian rule. The aggressors here are the Argentinians.

Didyousaynutella · 16/07/2026 22:26

The first ever person to set foot on the Falklands was British. It was then settled by French, British and Spanish. The British eventually governing it. They left it undefended for a time when they were stretched which is when the Spanish invaded. The British took it back and have been there ever since. They settled the islands before Argentina was even a country. A country created by colonialism. It is no different to them wanting to take over any country that is near them. In fact they thought about invading Chile’s islands instead but decided to try the Falklands as they thought it would be easier. There is no giving it back. They never had it and the people there choose to be British because who would want a corrupt country like Argentina governing them.

TessSaysYes · 16/07/2026 21:41

...just to add, where has Argentina's block population gone. Most people don't know there used to be one, just as there is in Brazil today.
Sorry to my Argintinian friends, but it's worth mentioning, in the context of far right-ism.

TessSaysYes · 16/07/2026 21:37

The banner raised by those footballers was a statement of Argentin facism, re the Falklands.
I'm amazed they chose to do it! 😲
It's almost like Russia..a country chooses to sacrifice prosperity and happiness just to grab some rocks and penguins off another country, that would be Argintina (and in Russias case: some bombed out rubble!)
They looked like they were off their faces on nationalism 😒

5MinuteArgument · 16/07/2026 21:01

Papyrophile · 16/07/2026 20:12

@SpottyPyjama Have you been quoted and refuted enough yet? Your narrative is complete fiction!

Yes, agreed, some people seem quite happy to express opinions on something they know very little about. You'd think a quick google would be in order before posting stuff (other search engines are available).

BruFord · 16/07/2026 20:29

Notcominhomenow · 16/07/2026 19:01

I'm not sure why British colonialism gets brought up here. Argentina is such a young nation populated mainly by European immigrants. I've always wondered why they see themselves as poor victims in this when they are all descended from colonisers themselves.

Husbands family for example are all Italian or Spanish, not a trace of indigenous at all, so his family is no different really to those that came over to Falklands to settle from Europe.

@Notcominhomenow I'd like to visit Argentina one day, it's an interesting country both geographically and culturally.

As you say, the majority of the current population are at least partially descended from European immigrants who arrived in the 19th and 20th centuries, years after Argentina's attempt to claim the FI in the 1820's. So no ancient ties to the islands and the islanders themselves aren't interested in being part of Argentina. It's all rather odd.

maxslice · 16/07/2026 20:27

People get weird and over the top about the football. It feels personal to you, of course, but it isn’t really. They’re just unaware and would probably be surprised that you’re hurt by this. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt. Raise your son to embrace his heritage on both sides and to learn better manners than your husband’s family seems to possess.

FrippEnos · 16/07/2026 20:13

HelpMeNavigateThisPlease · 16/07/2026 19:04

I am speaking to the British faux surprise that these matters are hugely sensitive for some countries - right or wrong.

If you look at the facts this has nothing to do with colonialism and everything to do with a poor government that was trying to protect its own interests and divert from its own subjugation of its population.

Papyrophile · 16/07/2026 20:12

@SpottyPyjama Have you been quoted and refuted enough yet? Your narrative is complete fiction!

likelysuspect · 16/07/2026 20:11

SpottyPyjama · 16/07/2026 15:41

To be fair, the Falklamds should be Argentinian. We can’t expect recent history to be completely ignored just because the reality of British colonialism makes some people uncomfortable.

England doesn’t get to treat the rest of the world as if it owns them and then complain when they are disliked.

What colonialism is involved in the Falklands?

likelysuspect · 16/07/2026 20:09

pikkumyy77 · 16/07/2026 15:32

Maybe they consider the falklands to be an instance of British anti argentinian sentiment and aggression? I don’t mean to be rude about it but I think if you look at history generally “the past isn’t dead, its not even past.” Countries remember and regret the loss of territory for hundreds of years let alone 40 or so.

Loss of territory!!!

Thats really funny.

Talk us through this please

SockPlant · 16/07/2026 20:05

5MinuteArgument · 16/07/2026 18:14

Yes, I've heard the Germans enjoy the chants from England fans and find them funny.

not even that - in Germany they look on England and English football with affection, as the home of football. They couldn't generally give two hoots about the chanting, unless it crosses a line.

Their big and really really quite nasty at times rivalry is with the Netherlands at football.

chirrupybird · 16/07/2026 20:04

pikkumyy77 · 16/07/2026 15:32

Maybe they consider the falklands to be an instance of British anti argentinian sentiment and aggression? I don’t mean to be rude about it but I think if you look at history generally “the past isn’t dead, its not even past.” Countries remember and regret the loss of territory for hundreds of years let alone 40 or so.

The Falklands are thousands of miles away from Argentina and the people living their are British by descent. And were when the war happened 40 years ago and since 1833.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/07/2026 19:56

Notcominhomenow · 16/07/2026 15:36

Maybe, but this was a football match???

Do we bring up Hitler every time the Germans play us???

There did used to be a football chant sung by England fans to the tune of 'Camptown Races' whenever England played Germany:

'Two World Wars and one World Cup, do dah, do da'

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