To ask why the England team (the men) keep falling at the final hurdle, (well virtually at the final hurdle,) at the football World Cup ... and The Euros too?

It's just not comparable is it.

'My point is - it's not better to get further in a knock out competition, as England were still knocked out'

Oh it is better, obviously. Sad that you have such a negative viewpoint. They were amazing against the Mexicans when everyone wanged on about the altitude, that the Mexicans had never lost in their own stadium etc etc.

Are you just a glass half empty type generally? I'm getting that vibe tbh.

Not as consistent results as the English women's team, who actually win competitions.

Reaching semi-finals and finals is the definition of solid consistent results.

Do you not remember England of the recent past? Here's a small reminder of what a laughingstock England was in tournament football:

How do they have 'solid' results when they lost in the final in the Euros and now lost in the semi final in the world cup. They don't win anything!

The English women's team on the other hand, DO win competitions

How many finals have the Irish won?
They didn’t even get there, so maybe concentrate on your own failings.

How many finals have the Irish won?
They didn’t even get there, so maybe concentrate on your own failings.

How many finals have the Irish won?
They didn’t even get there, so maybe concentrate on your own failings.

How do they have 'solid' results when they lost in the final in the Euros and now lost in the semi final in the world cup. They don't win anything!

The English women's team on the other hand, DO win competitions

A team ranked 4th reaching the semi-finals is quite literally the opposite of a 'false picture of reality'.

Really?!? People still remember players of Italia '90 and Euro '96 like heroes. I think people have been spoiled by the consistent semi-final/final tournament finishes of this new England team that they forgot all those years of utter disasters and complete embarrassment of the so called "golden generation" (who are now pundits). Please remind yourself of what the English fans had to endure before knocking the consistently solid results of this new England team.

Well, as I said further up, I don't know anything at all about football, but it must certainly be a unique sport if being in the Top 4 teams in the world makes you weak.

The issue is, the way ranking points work, you can elevate yourself into the top 10, top 5 or whatever simply by battering much poorer teams in Qualifying. This is how England got there.

The problem comes when you have to play other top teams. Like I posted above, in competitive Finals matches, England have one solitary World Cup win over a top-10 ranked side in the entire history of the World Cup, and have never beaten a top-6 team in the European Championship Finals.

"England ranked 4th" is a totally false picture of reality.

For example, prior to the World Cup Morocco were ranked 5th, Brazil 6th. Brazil were beaten in the last 16 by Norway, Morocco went down in the Quarters to France. Both of those teams also achieved their ranking by beating vastly inferior teams, only to be found out when they actually had to play good ones.

'I diagree I have to say. I don't think that getting into the semi - finals is doing well in a knock out competition'

Better than not getting in at all! Does NI or Ireland even have a team? And Scotland, well we all know how that went bless 'em.

I diagree I have to say. I don't think that getting into the semi - finals is doing well in a knock out competition.

The winner is the only team that people remember.

I;m looking at the U.K in the Argentina match. There are a lot of things that they did wrong. Did they not do more research on how Argentina played, before they played them

Just swinging the convo momentarily away from.the troubles and back to football , it's interesting to put it into context and look at Brazil 5 times winners ! Out. Italy 3 times I think ,out!
We got further than most other teams who had won before ,countries rather.
We have done really really well and we have a brilliant team and the euros are soon

@mindymoo11 you said:

”The war in Northern Ireland went on until 1998”. I’ve pasted the screenshot below so you can read it for yourself.

You were clearly erroneously conflating the GFA’s signing with the end of “the war” as you call it. Either that or your drafting of written English is poor. Either way - the statement is just wrong.

Major violent events since the 1998 signing include (as discussed) The Omagh Bombing (August 1998): Carried out by the Real IRA, a dissident republican group opposed to the peace deal, a car bomb killed 29 people and injured around 220 others in County Tyrone. It remains the deadliest single incident of the post-agreement period. Of course, there was also the Murder of Lyra McKee (April 2019): A 29-year-old journalist was shot and killed by a New IRA gunman during rioting in the Creggan area of Derry; Murder of John Caldwell (February 2023): A senior off-duty PSNI police detective was shot multiple times in front of his son by New IRA gunmen at a sports complex in Omagh. Then, as well as major targeted attacks, sectarian tensions have periodically erupted into large-scale street rioting, and paramilitary groups continue to exert coercive control over local communities through intimidation.

My reading comprehension’s just fine, thanks, and I don’t need someone as obviously ill-informed as you correcting me about it.

As PPs have said - start another thread about the Troubles if you’re that keen to talk about them and know so much about them (maybe multiple ones about all the other subjects on which you’re also an “expert”).

Do other nations do this when they lose or is this just an English thing where the manager and/or player(s) gets hung out to dry for the rest of their days when they lose the wc or euros?

I vaguely remember someone getting shot in one of the south american countries after he missed a penalty or some such thing . No wonder the referees dont want to penalise the Argies if that's the kind of crazy that comes to your door.

Just swinging the convo momentarily away from.the troubles and back to football , it's interesting to put it into context and look at Brazil 5 times winners ! Out. Italy 3 times I think ,out!
We got further than most other teams who had won before ,countries rather.
We have done really really well and we have a brilliant team and the euros are soon