To ask why the England team (the men) keep falling at the final hurdle, (well virtually at the final hurdle,) at the football World Cup ... and The Euros too?

England have won the World Cup once. It was held in their home country, and they had the advantage of playing every game at Wembley.

This.

DH said as much when he came home (he'd watched the game up the pub with his mates). He did say they got further than he'd expected but that ultimately it was the same old story.

Argentina was the only top 10 ranked side that England played this whole tournament and they lost. Says it all really.

Agreed. Rogers made an excellent on-target cross and Gordon made the most of it with a goal. Those two did well.

This is very depressing, but sadly I think he may have a point.

Yes that’s my view too after the disappointment.

Then so should every serious football fan in the world. You should have heard my late husband when he watched England play. It's par for the course. It's what fans do. You know...have an opinion.

Absolute credit to these amazing players who showed so much grit and fight at this tournament. You can't fault them.

Yesterday it was a tactical error, but also Argentina were just the better team. They will likely retain the World Cup. They have no weaknesses plus Messi, but Spain is also a team with no weaknesses. The final will be a tactical masterclass.

You enjoy baiting don’t you. You know him do you? Seems like a bloody lovely guy to me. You on the other hand, not giving the nicest impression to us all. Spread a bit of positivity! He’s also a sensational footballer, well done him.

I liked Ian Wright’s thoughts on the Bellingham bashing, it’s out and out racism.

With this occasion, the problem was their strategy was to lead with defence after halftime, which meant they were on the back foot and Argentina just had to persist. Similar issues with the last manager tbf so I’d say we’re not aggressive enough.

A combo of a lack of self belief in the past, hitting them mostly on penalty shootouts, but last night was purely down to woeful tactics. You don't defend with 30 minutes to go and take off attacking players. Gordon has had a fantastic tournament, scores our only goal and he takes him off. Tuchel cost us that match.

No, if they are not first they are not crap, they just don’t have the ability, the talent nor the mentality to win. Anyone wanting to be an elite athlete giving them a sweetie for taking part is not good enough.

The manager was at fault yesterday- clear tactical error and Argentina are very very strong plus Messi appears to be impossible to hold.

Absolutely nothing to do with desire or being overpaid millionaires (as literally EVERYONE on the pitch was). These England players had so much desire and character throughout this tournament. They really really wanted it. But it was impossible to hold on with 10 defending against absolute non-stop Argentinian attack. Manager at fault. He read the game wrong and made the wrong substitutions.

Argentina are the best team in the world right now. Which is mental they cheat so much as they don't need to. England were just outplayed last night but honestly I feel like they really played their hearts out. I'm proud of them.

and sadly another opportunity for some more domestic violence too...

To an extent they do, but very few other countries tear their team down in the way the English press do.

thats the big difference. Other places build up their team and then celebrate the successes they did have whereas the English media build them up and build them up and then tear apart the disaster of not winning (and very often have a specific player who ends up being at “fault” for it).

They've got form for this. I wouldn't normally bite but Jude Bellingham has impressed me so much. I'm sure he couldn't care less what a bitter, ill-informed mumsnetter thinks of him.

It doesn’t matter what you think you saw, OP hasn’t edited her post from ‘failing’ to ‘falling’, which is what you seem to be implying.

Defo true but the team also sat back after the goal and before the subs. So a whole team thing and something defo not alien to England. Maybe a fear response / protection that I was hoping Tuchel was more detached from. He’s done great so don’t wanna lay into him at all but would have loved to see a positive set of subs at that point, boost the confidence and blast the balls to Bellingham and Kane. As you say things were looking pretty beautiful before that!!

Ireland are the same. Not a world class team.

Difference is we celebrate our team getting anywhere.

Okay, England are a better team! But not number one.

Also, winners have the edge. Argentina had that.

Which is absolutely right. Second is first loser. 3rd or 4th is pathetic and not worth writing home about.

Horrible isn’t it. To be that talented, young and carrying the team and you still get posts like that one from the pp.

This mentality is sick. It drives down into children if they’re not the first they are crap.