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To ask why the England team (the men) keep falling at the final hurdle, (well virtually at the final hurdle,) at the football World Cup ... and The Euros too?

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GorgeousSpringtime · 16/07/2026 08:58

Not an England-team bashing thread, but why, oh WHY do they - the men - keep falling at the final hurdle (well, virtually the final hurdle,) every time at the football (soccer) World Cup - and the Euro Cup too...?

They do so well, and get so far, and then BANG they're out. Nearly always in the top 8, or top 4, (and the top 2, in the World Cup once, and a couple of times in the Euros I think,) but never the winner. (Not since 1966 anyway!)

Is it nerves? Is it that they're so anxious to win that they keep making silly mistakes? Are they just not quite good enough? WHAT IS IT? Why do they keep getting so close, but just never manage to get the win?!

As I said, I am not bashing them, and they did well, and I am proud of them, but I just get so frustrated that they can't quite ever get the win!

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jimmyhill · 16/07/2026 18:44

Out of 48 teams in the World Cup, 47 have to fall at some hurdle or other

ChirpaChirpaCheepCheepChirp · 16/07/2026 18:27

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 15:32

Paid well is one thing. Paid obscenely while other people are struggling to survive. Its awful.

Do you remember when Ashley cole complained that he only 60,000 per week.

You wrote that they bring in millions for people that employ them.

That;s because currently, we as a society put more value on football than on getting homeless people off the streets. Society is fu..cked up

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Ashley Cole didn’t complain about earning £60k a week. He complained because Arsenal reneged on what he considered to be an agreed contractual salary.

I’m sure if your employer agreed your rate of pay and then unilaterally changed their mind, you’d just suck it up without comment.

And people aren’t homeless because footballers earn a lot. In fact, footballers pay a hell of a lot of their earnings as tax. It’s down to politicians how that’s spent.

IcedPurple · 16/07/2026 18:03

GasPanic · 16/07/2026 17:55

A footballers pay is a function of the number of people who want to watch him and buy merchandise related to him and the revenue he can help generate for the teams he plays in.

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Exactly. Man City aren't paying Erling Haaland half a million a week out of the goodness of their hearts. It's a business transaction, and they've calculated that he's worth the money.

That's his value on the football market. If they didn't pay him accordingly, Real Madrid or Paris Saint Germain would happily do so.

GasPanic · 16/07/2026 17:55

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 15:17

it does annoy me how much football players get paid. There's a video on social media showing Erling Haaland's collection of Birkin bags. He has loads at around 50,000 each (at least).

When I think of how we throw millions and millions of pounds at football players, than I think of the people I know who are struggling to survive, I think 'what kind of world is this'

A footballers pay is a function of the number of people who want to watch him and buy merchandise related to him and the revenue he can help generate for the teams he plays in.

ComeOnEngland12 · 16/07/2026 17:46

Why stop at Nige let's get Trump in swiftly followed by Hitler 😜@YesIKnowThatThankyou thanks for that. He's such a young lad but has a good family around him.

Grandmistress991 · 16/07/2026 17:32

LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 16:24

'Nige' makes his way into most threads. How on earth is he relevant in a football discussion about winning and losing streaks.

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As both men are currently topical i was just making a comparison between one man who earned alot of money having a certain physical skill that is rightly or wrongly admired my millions .....and another making alot less money, but still alot of money from grifting offf someone else, being a prolific liar, mercenary and having no obvious skill other than being a con man. 😃

TheLightOfDay · 16/07/2026 16:42

YesIKnowThatThankyou · 16/07/2026 10:14

Jude Bellingham is not a prick.
Here's one example of his integrity. He stopped to speak to a disabled Venezuelan reporter IN SPANISH when no one else would
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jCKTpXZISLo

I think he's amazing and he's still only 23.

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I love this, thanks for sharing it.

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GorgeousSpringtime · 16/07/2026 16:34

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 15:40

Do you think that Argentina scoring a second goal JUST before it went to extra time was a coincidence?

They talk about everything, including timing

We get it, you LOVE The Argentinian football team, and you're not keen on the English one!🙄

But please stop pretending you knew that Argentina were going to score a goal at 85 minutes and then a second one a few minutes into stoppage time, and were just 'biding their time' with England. Never heard anything so daft! Even THEY didn't know they would score those goals, or at what point in the match!

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LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 16:24

Grandmistress991 · 16/07/2026 16:21

Didn't say he was a messiah...said he was a footballing genius, so as far as kicking a ball goes he does it very well. Which to some is worth shouting about others not so much. No its not fair he gets paid millions for it while nurses teachers etc get bog all.

Theres also.people like nige farridge who get given millions to do and say what the person who paid him wants him to do and say ...so its up to you who you think is the 'worser' person.

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'Nige' makes his way into most threads. How on earth is he relevant in a football discussion about winning and losing streaks.

HRTQueen · 16/07/2026 16:23

the top four rated teams are
Argentina
Spain
France
England

we may come third but its likely that the ratings shall stay the same as before the tournament

England have played really well at times, other times not so well as with all the teams above

Grandmistress991 · 16/07/2026 16:21

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 16:07

'Genius' God I hate people who treat Messi like he's a messiah.

Another example of how fu...cked up our world is.

People value someone that can kick a ball over people that do nearly anything else

Didn't say he was a messiah...said he was a footballing genius, so as far as kicking a ball goes he does it very well. Which to some is worth shouting about others not so much. No its not fair he gets paid millions for it while nurses teachers etc get bog all.

Theres also.people like nige farridge who get given millions to do and say what the person who paid him wants him to do and say ...so its up to you who you think is the 'worser' person.

NeedWineNow · 16/07/2026 16:17

XelaM · 16/07/2026 10:38

How is it the "same old story" when England played in 4 semi-finals and 2 finals in the last 5 tournaments?!?

England could only have dreamt of such consistency at tournaments during the time of the so called "golden generation". I think people forget how bad England was and how amazing this team has done. They were not even in the same stratosphere as this team.

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He meant it in terms of not getting over the final hurdle rather than not getting through to the semis/finals.

In this instance he did think that Tuchel got his tactics wrong.

Sorrelbird · 16/07/2026 16:15

Because we’re the 4th best team in the world, not the best team. Good enough (nowadays) to beat most teams, but still not as good as France, Spain, Argentina. Sometimes the underdogs win, though, which is why there’s so much hope, because it’s not that much of a stretch for us to have an amazing game and squeeze past one of those teams.

In terms of why we can’t quite get there, there is a tendency to choose tactically defensive managers which hasn’t worked out for us, pressure and media negativity, lack of confidence against the big teams, and lack of adaptability.

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mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 16:07

'Genius' God I hate people who treat Messi like he's a messiah.

Another example of how fu...cked up our world is.

People value someone that can kick a ball over people that do nearly anything else

LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 16:04

JacknDiane · 16/07/2026 16:01

Well they were up against a decent team with a genius playing. And he won it for them.

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A genius who was happy to prance around a political banner. It's going to be an interesting season for the other Argie players who play in the premiership. Happy to take the English money while rubbing their team mates' noses in it with that political message. It's great that fans have long memories.

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 16:02

THisbackwithavengeance · 16/07/2026 16:00

They played a game of football. Someone wins, someone loses. They did well to get where they did.

I mean the English women's team did better ...to actually win a competition.

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 16:02

LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 16:01

Yes we are but overpaid socialists aren't just restricted to football. If you're talking about society being screwed that's not just down to overpaid prima donnas.

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I didn't say it was. I wanted to discuss the footballers specifically on a thread about football.

JacknDiane · 16/07/2026 16:01

Well they were up against a decent team with a genius playing. And he won it for them.

LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 16:01

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 15:57

I never wrote that.

we are talking about the footballers on this thread.

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Yes we are but overpaid socialists aren't just restricted to football. If you're talking about society being screwed that's not just down to overpaid prima donnas.

THisbackwithavengeance · 16/07/2026 16:00

They played a game of football. Someone wins, someone loses. They did well to get where they did.

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 15:57

LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 15:55

I've just said that but if you can't see anyone but footballers as being champagne socialists, you're biased.

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I never wrote that.

we are talking about the footballers on this thread.

Blinky21 · 16/07/2026 15:56

England are one of the best teams in the world, hasn't always been the case but since Southgate it is expected we will get to the semis. Doesn't make us the best team in the world though. Saying that we should have been able to beat Argentina

LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 15:55

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 15:51

It also applies to the footballers.

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I've just said that but if you can't see anyone but footballers as being champagne socialists, you're biased.

mindymoo11 · 16/07/2026 15:51

LuckyHazelFox · 16/07/2026 15:50

That applies to all champagne socialists, not just the footballers.

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It also applies to the footballers.

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