To think this is a step too far from the SNP?

Exactly. Why would the England football team care about a lying, thieving group of grifters not supporting them.
Argentina are welcome to SNP support if they want it.

Again, there are huge numbers of people completely incapable of grasping what ABE actually is, so it's no wonder they also completely misunderstand it's an endless source of amusement and comic relief. Seems to be particularly the case with MN users even more so than general for some reason.

The "ABE is terrible" threads on here have had me in stitches for days, because they invariably provoke all sorts of desperate flailing in an attempt to retaliate from precisely the type of people it's intended to draw in, including the "HAHA! Scotland are shite! It's just bitterness!" lot, who can't seem to grasp that Scots are well aware their own team is garbage and also perfectly at ease with that fact.

How is she "other"? Because she has a different accent? Interestingly lots of "English" people with English accents compete for Scotland. For example, look up Steph Twell and Beth Dobbin.

Similarly Issy Boffey and Jenny Nesbitt for Wales.

Just a few examples from the world of track and field.

They all have English accents but by your reckoning, it's ok to "other" them.

You are conflating two different things.

The right to live somewhere is entirely different to their cultural identity.

My sister lives in England, she absolutely has the right to live there but will always be Scottish culturally.

Her English child lives in Scotland, again absolutely has the right to live here, absolutely remains English.

As for “if you are Pro-UK” you suddenly because culture blind? Oh come on. You must know that’s nonsense.

It’s also worth noting that being pro-union has nothing whatsoever to do with ABE.

You can be a flag waving “Better together” supporter and still be wearing an Argentinian football top.

It would be wrong to assume that those all ABE attitudes are independence supporters.(or even most of them).

Voting no to independence and supporting England are entirely different things.

I think this kind of thing is deliberate SNP policy as their best chance of winning an independence referendum is if the rest of the UK citizens vote for Scotland to leave. They are playing a long game and I couldn't despise them more.
The tax differences allowed by devolution stoke division and resentment.

Remember Gareth Bale's little dance? Was it when Iceland beat England in 2016? Admittedly I think anyone would feel a certain amount of Schadenfreude/amusement about a little country beating a big one, but it went beyond that.

Oh read their posts full of bile and 'morons'. Just so very unpleasant.

This is all so pathetic. It's a football match not a rerun of a bloody invasion. The media are being totally irresponsible about this.

Yes, England used to have a "anyone but Germany" mentality but that was at least founded in footballing rivalry and since the 2006 WC that has reduced massively and relations are very cordial now. The feeling of some Scots has nothing to do with football - they really have to read some history books and get over Culloden.

Agree the England-Norway game was really good natured, probably because most of them play each other and with each other all the time anyway!

Oh get over yourself, it's a football game. Not remotely political at all; only where people make it so.

Is it not just a joke (even if an unfortunate one) about rivalry between Scotland and England?

TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if they are doing the same in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

The best argument against Scottish independence is the SNP. As I have thought for several years.

If you are of a pro UK mindset, you don't regard any UK citizen as 'other'. That is the whole point. We have the same passport.
There has always been lots of geographical mobility for work etc. I had lots of Scottish and Welsh teachers in my English Comprehensive school. No one would ever have suggested they had no right to live in England.

It is a wee bit ironic in the face of people saying “don’t take ABE too seriously” to tell them to unclench.

A democracy

The Argentinian regime??? The military dictatorship that prosecuted the Falklands war was kicked out 43 years ago and Argentina has been a democracy ever since.

If only the snp paid as much attention to their finances as they do to footie matches scots may all be better off.

I hate to use an old mn cliché but you really need to unclench a bit you'll end up with an ulcer all your bile about 'morons'.

Repeat after me 'go on England!'. You'll feet better, promise.

They're a bunch of crooks whose leader should be behind bars.

That's been done.

Carlos Mac Allister. You won't find a more Scottish-looking bloke anywhere on the planet. Played international football for Argentina in the 90s. There are others.

I’m very sorry that your colleague is upset and offended.

But she is choosing to live in a country where she is indeed, “other”. I’ve lived in other countries you never really entirely integrate.

And her experience isn’t universal. My English MIL isn’t either upset or offended. My English neighbours aren't upset or offended.

If someone has been an arse to your colleague it’s mostly likely because they are an arse, not because she is English.

It's a point about the fact that if you go and look in any of the threads about ABE on here, they generally reflect what happens anywhere when a Scot mentions that they'll be supporting England's opponent.

A choice about a football match is often met with comments about "Jocks", "Scroungers", Scotland being financially propped up etc etc.

This is the whole point of the ABE wind-up - it exposes tiny-minded English exceptionalists for what they are, because they immediately respond to a wind-up about a sport with jibes about nationality, because they are nothing more than thin-skinned, precious little xenophobes who take any perceived jibe at anything English as an attack on English identity due to the fact they percieve everything through the prism of identity themselves.

As I said, it's perfectly functioning moron-detector.

Instead of all the chippy bitterness, could they not find an English player (or even an Argentinian player!) with some Scottish ancestry and make something of that? Something with a bit more thought that the usual ABE crap.

An English person supporting Scotland just isn’t the same as the other way round, it really really isn’t. Centuries of history explain why.

And it isn’t the players that the Scots don’t like. It’s the media and the commentators and the general jingoistic tone of all England World Cup discussion. From an outside perspective (and make no mistake Scots are outside) it’s eye rolling lay tiresome.

You say 'it's frequently met with ethno-nationalism and slurs in kind' and then go on with the slur 'It attracts morons like flies to shite'

Make ya mind up hun! Are you a slurrer or a slurred