To think this is a step too far from the SNP?

lol. Have you seen how the SNP operate?!?!

Such sour grapes, there will be some who double down on the Argentina support rather than admit what awful behaviour was demonstrated by them.

The England team have conducted themselves brilliantly, and got my support.

Surely some of them must feel embarrassed having supported the cheating, fouling little rats of Argentina who are now loathed worldwide, surely?

Or does their loathing of England run so deep they'd rather cheer on wankers like Enzo Fernandez? I wonder if it's the fact that England aren't entitled arseholes, are actually brilliant role models and also quite good that gets their goat. Just envy pure and simple?

(And I don't mean there should be endless national self flagellation or performative guilt. But I think being aware of your countries history, light and dark, is a vaccine against sliding into the sort of angry grievance culture you see over the pond with MAGA)

Just chipping in to say not all Scottish people. Not all/most Scottish people. My Scottish side of the family are lovely.
I agree though that there's a side and I think it's exacerbated by a certain reluctance (among some) to admit the Scottish were involved in colonialism and the beneficiaries of the British Empire at all. You absolutely get English people like that as well, comparing the Norman invasions/vikings to something that only ended in the 20th century). I get people don't want to be constantly told they are evil because of something that happened before they were born. In Scotland that expresses itself as a "we were victims of English colonialism too" resentment which then is worsened by the fact that, as you said, Scotland has been harder hit in some ways by the loss of the empire than other places. And it's hard to explain that if you believe yourself to be the victim not the beneficiary.

Not all Scottish people. Its actually way more common online or amongst American stereotypes of Scotland if anything. Or the very noisym

I think the problem is Scotland doesn’t have anything to boast about since the BE unwound which is why you get the SNP, ABE, the baseless hostility and these strange ‘we’re the best at watching football’ or French waiters like us more than you . If it was a person, it would be classed as low self esteem and an inferiority complex. The issue is Scotland benefited proportionally more from the British Empire and general European colonialism than any other European state so the decline has been incredibly steep and this manifests in quite a toxic way.

I don't mind the whole ABE thing from Scottish people. Usually it's banter and it's fine and no-one has to support the team
It is weird when it's a political party though. Especially when the independence movement has been smeared (usually unfairly) at times for being anti-English when you will get pro-independance Scottish people going to great lengths to explain this isn't true wanting independence isn't about hating the English, it's about Scotland. But then the SNP puts out stuff like that and it somewhat undermines the argument and makes them look a bit childish, and weirdly obsessed.

Although it's by far not the most childish thing to happen in British politics over the last decade.

It just comes across as a mass inferiority complex, it’s quite cringe worthy.

It was worse in Scotland because there were no laws protecting the tenants. There was a social understanding going back centuries that clan members had the right to rent land from the clan leaders/live on the clan lands. But this was never codified in law so when they wanted they just kicked them off. Such a huge betrayal, but it tells you something about class solidarity amongst the wealthy whilst the less wealthy divide themselves into different groups/clans/tribes.

It also shows the intellect levels of the management.

They speak Welsh in parts of Patagonia so we have that in common with them.

the SNP are baity shitmerchants - and as someone has already said, the strongest argument against independence.

I drove past the highly salubrious watering hole called the "Stag and Garter" on Garscube Road yesterday. They had several Argentinian flags flying outside the pub. Speaks volumes about their clientele.

Absolutely vile but no surprise to any of us living in scotland. (And for clarity, before someone accuses me of being English, probably a "toarie", born here too).

Two years ago The National newspaper/comic which is the pro-Indy SNP supporting rag which the separatists love printed a front page article along the same lines.

https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-newspaper-apologises-for-insulting-england-in-euro-2024-final-front-page-13178570

This is typical of nationalist parties. Instead of relying on the strength of their arguments they resort to dog whistle politics. They are no better than English nationalists. This is the sort of tactic used by Farage and his ilk.

This is the reason I really dislike nationalism of any sort. Taken to its ultimate resulted in the the atrocities in the Balkans, Italian Fascism and Nazi Germany. While at the focussing on football it's incredibly petty, but it's nasty. Everyone should read Blood and Belonging by Michael Igatieff.

The SNP are leaning heavily on the 'Brave Heart ' version of Scottish history where English are bad and Scots good. Many of those who respond to this dog whistle don't know Scottish history very well only the Tartan Tat version. Many Scots were up to their neck in slavery, colonialism and battles of the past. Using and holding grudges about events long in the past is poor politics to my mind.

Just as a side note I am Scottish, was born in here with Scottish parents but brought up in England as my parents relocated for work, so have an English accent. At work I had to put up with this sort of shite regularly. Mainly at a low level but particularly nasty when football was on. I didn't engage with them as I am not into football. Some said it was banter but there was a real nastiness to it

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being Scots, English, French or whatever or putting forward cogent arguments for independence but to resort this kind of crap is incredibly petty.

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FIFA will do absolutely nothing. There's no money to be made in doing so.

Yes a bed sheet 😆 🤣 imagine if we had done the same saying the Falklands are still ours. Corrupt FIFA and their love for Athentina.

Argentina

Bet they won't do anything, aren't they fans of the argies? England obviously lost but omg to a bunch of fouling arseholes who then hold a raggy bed sheet up with fake claims. Classy!

So their deaths don't count then? 🙄

Whataboutery at it's finest.

Well, the Argentinian team who produced a political banner after their win, won't have been fazed by the booing. Let's see what Fifa do about this banner. I don't live in hope.

We don’t need to go back to the Clearances or Culloden, you might be too young but those of us who remember the 1980s clearly have far more recent cause for complaint. And that’s before we get started on Brexit.

What goes around comes around and one day we can stick two fingers up at the Scots. Then again, we will be pleased for them. We are not bitter!

It is not the same thing at all. Do you really want to die on that hill?