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AIBU to ask whether the death penalty should apply for certain crimes in the UK?

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PenelopeJoanSterling · 13/07/2026 23:04

Because the topics got mixed up on my previous thread i thought id ask here, for certain types of crime in the uk, would you be either for or against the death penalty for certain crimes and why ?

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aberamagold · 27/07/2026 12:13

JohnnieFedora · 24/07/2026 19:42

But what happens in that miscarriage of justice?

How many innocent people being killed by the government is acceptable collateral damage to you?

None.
I would only support it in cases where there is no doubt about the identity of the perpetrator, e.g. they were caught at the scene, they do not deny they did it, or there is absolute rock solid forensic evidence.

I'd support it for Axel Rudakabana for example.

pointythings · 25/07/2026 19:29

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2026 14:46

I would be quite happy if we had life sentences that meant life instead of the death penalty. Give the prisoners the option of voluntary euthanasia too.

OK, now I'm shocked. I'm agreeing with you on something. The difference between is may however be that I think assisted suicide should be available for everyone, not just prisoners.

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2026 14:46

I would be quite happy if we had life sentences that meant life instead of the death penalty. Give the prisoners the option of voluntary euthanasia too.

pointythings · 25/07/2026 11:13

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2026 10:27

No of course I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be happy if my child was murdered by a criminal that had been let out of prison either. So you have to weigh up which is the least worst option.

And that is very clear: An innocent person being murdered by the state. The suffering of the family of that innocent person who is murdered by the state.

By all means let life mean life, or have a system like the ones used in many countries where there are detention orders for public safety which run indefinitely (these are clinical and do not come under illegal indeterminate sentencing). But no state sanctioned murder of innocents.

You sound like you would be perfectly OK with the death penalty being applied to an innocent person 'because it would never happen to you'.

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2026 10:27

JohnnieFedora · 25/07/2026 08:38

Ok your child has been wrongly convicted. You're happy with them being put to death?

After all.... It's a great punishment and if there's any mistakes it's worth it?

No of course I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be happy if my child was murdered by a criminal that had been let out of prison either. So you have to weigh up which is the least worst option.

JohnnieFedora · 25/07/2026 08:38

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2026 04:36

How many innocent people being killed by criminals is acceptable collateral damage to those who oppose the death penalty?

Ok your child has been wrongly convicted. You're happy with them being put to death?

After all.... It's a great punishment and if there's any mistakes it's worth it?

category12 · 25/07/2026 07:47

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2026 04:36

How many innocent people being killed by criminals is acceptable collateral damage to those who oppose the death penalty?

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent.

It doesn't save people from being killed by criminals in the first place.

So if you have the death penalty, you're only adding the deaths of convicted people on top. (And while in prison awaiting execution, they have nothing to lose by further violence).

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2026 04:36

How many innocent people being killed by criminals is acceptable collateral damage to those who oppose the death penalty?

JohnnieFedora · 24/07/2026 19:42

aberamagold · 24/07/2026 15:50

I used to be fervently against the death penalty. There is always a risk of miscarriages of justice, and because the whole process of a state cold bloodedly taking someone's life is chilling.

That was before I knew that men would rape babies.

Some people are beyond redemption. They can never be rehabilitated. Some crimes are so horrific the perpetrators have lost all claim to normal human rights, and I don't think society should have an obligation to continue to sustain their lives.

But what happens in that miscarriage of justice?

How many innocent people being killed by the government is acceptable collateral damage to you?

aberamagold · 24/07/2026 15:50

I used to be fervently against the death penalty. There is always a risk of miscarriages of justice, and because the whole process of a state cold bloodedly taking someone's life is chilling.

That was before I knew that men would rape babies.

Some people are beyond redemption. They can never be rehabilitated. Some crimes are so horrific the perpetrators have lost all claim to normal human rights, and I don't think society should have an obligation to continue to sustain their lives.

kirinm · 20/07/2026 09:16

PenelopeJoanSterling · 13/07/2026 23:21

hopefully they would not be a criminal or be mixed up in crime to be suspected in the first place

Oh god you really do need to do a bit more research on this subject. You’re sounding horribly ill informed.

kirinm · 20/07/2026 09:13

PenelopeJoanSterling · 13/07/2026 23:08

that i understand but with better tech and forensics today, the errors should be min ?

How many mistakes being made are you okay with? Because there will always be miscarriages of justice or concerns about the safety of some verdicts (and corrupt police).

Yolo12345 · 18/07/2026 16:05

Absolutely not

5128gap · 18/07/2026 16:03

PenelopeJoanSterling · 17/07/2026 16:53

there was one other possibility for those who think they should be rehabilited and given a chance at life, have specialist military units that have high risk missions and base them at bases abroad and then train them for those missions ?

You think any old random who happens to have committed a heinous crime is suited to specialist military service? Do you have any idea of the personal skills and qualities required to perform these roles? The self discipline, the courage, the ability to make life and death decisions? You badly insult military personel.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 18/07/2026 13:59

OonaStubbs · 18/07/2026 13:17

How many chances should we give criminals to sort themselves out, and at what cost, both monetary and in harm caused to innocent law-abiding people? Surely there has to be a limit and we have to consider them a write-off at some point?

thats the thing when there is other areas of society that need funding etc

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OonaStubbs · 18/07/2026 13:17

How many chances should we give criminals to sort themselves out, and at what cost, both monetary and in harm caused to innocent law-abiding people? Surely there has to be a limit and we have to consider them a write-off at some point?

PenelopeJoanSterling · 18/07/2026 12:02

wombat1a · 18/07/2026 04:21

For politicians who accept money for their vote?

nah, thats just a sweetener and business

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wombat1a · 18/07/2026 04:21

For politicians who accept money for their vote?

PenelopeJoanSterling · 18/07/2026 00:27

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 17/07/2026 23:58

Maybe. However I am far from being the only person who is fed up of being made to pay to give criminals better chances than I am being given myself. We should all have the ability to access training and education forever, but most of us only get one shot and then have to pay through the nose for the rest of it. It does feel like being law abiding is being a mug nowadays. We do not have resources spare to waste and it should not be endlessly wasted on those who do so little to deserve it.

excellent points

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SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 17/07/2026 23:58

Frequency · 17/07/2026 17:23

You rehabilitate people by giving them proper access to education, counselling, work opportunities, and health care, like the Norwegian prison system mentioned, not by holding them overseas as slave labour and cannon fodder.

One system creates useful, balanced members of society. The other one creates mentally unstable killing machines, hence being the plotline for multiple action and horror movies.

Maybe. However I am far from being the only person who is fed up of being made to pay to give criminals better chances than I am being given myself. We should all have the ability to access training and education forever, but most of us only get one shot and then have to pay through the nose for the rest of it. It does feel like being law abiding is being a mug nowadays. We do not have resources spare to waste and it should not be endlessly wasted on those who do so little to deserve it.

EvilNextDoor · 17/07/2026 23:22

See some days after reading\viewing some horrific things I’m all for bringing back the death sentence

Then other days I see the sheer stupidity of the human race and think…nope bad idea we can’t be trusted to make the right decision

So I am probably not the right person to ask 🤷‍♀️

Religion should play no part in law for that I am certain..

teachermum28 · 17/07/2026 23:01

I am fervently against because I think capital punishment is inhumane. And I have more faith in humanity. I would much rather money was spent on societal inequality and improving lives, than killing people.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 17/07/2026 22:14

true

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pointythings · 17/07/2026 22:13

PenelopeJoanSterling · 17/07/2026 22:12

i forgot humanity changes the religion to suit modern times, no wonder no one will get to the pearly gates, because when or if they meet god then he will be what happened to my teachings and not the humans own versions

Policy should never be based on religion. All religion is nonsense.

Let's face it, man makes God in his own image. Pretty much explains everything.