India – loved it, but I came back feeling so violated.

Looking into Viola's case I was also shocked that so many countries had this kind of law absolving rapists who marry their victims until recently.
France until 1994, Greece until 2018, Portugal until 1982, Peru until 1999, Argentina until 2012, Brazil until 2005, , Bulgaria until 2015, Chile until 1999, Colombia until 1997, Costa Rica until 2007, Denmark until 2013, Ecuador until 2014, Dominican Republic , El Salvador until 2017, Guatemala until 2006, Mexico until 1991 (but in 2017, the laws of three states provide that marriage to the victim exonerates the perpetrator of the crime of 'seduction of minors'), Nicaragua until 2008, Panama until 2008, Venezuela until 2015, Uruguay until 2006.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marry-your-rapist_law

Obviously in a lot of these cases they may not have been used for a long time but it's so disturbing they existed at all.
And some still have it that I hadn't expected: Philippines, Thailand (for statutory rape), Russia (for cases of statutory rape).

Yet there are a big "refugees are welcome here" crowd on MN

Absolutely horrific. That grinning image was just awful.

Except they will coat the uk tax payers thousands /millions instead. These scum bags need to be deported.

Cross posted with you about the spitting @Noodledog

They had been in the UK for just three months when they committed gang rape, btw.

Fucking fucking hell.

Repeatedly spat on too. A minor detail in the midst of the unimaginable horror she suffered, but one that fully and wholly illustrated their contempt of the woman they were repeatedly raping, kicking and choking.

As left leaning as I am, I would like to see men like this face a firing squad. Then thrown in a hole.

And they spat on her as they gang raped her. And filmed the rape on their phones.

It has been reported in the MSM that in court one said "to me, rape is sex".
And that another is claiming asylum based on the fact he is a murderer and therefore could potentially face the death penalty in Egypt.

They had been in the UK for just three months when they committed gang rape, btw.

The gang rape on Brighton beach is horrific. Grinning Egyptian men raping an English woman in the beach. Sobering. What’s that George Michael song? “What was over there is over here”. How prescient he was.

It's really a frightening thought. Women's rights and the idea of sexual equality are such a recent thing in the UK, but so many of us thought the direction of travel would continue the same way. And it feels like it has started to fall apart already, cheered on by a completely deluded group of women who consider themselves feminists but pursue the destruction of women's rights with the zeal of a MAGA born again Christian.

Same. Not to mention the crowding. Just NO.

But it’s track record on women’s rights is abysmal.
So it having a female PM means little.

India has always been a true democracy where the constitution is followed. It's had democratic continuity, whereas Pakistan and Bangladesh have had years and years of coups, military rule and intermitttency.

Sadly not. Sexual harassment of single women in Japan is common apparently

That doesn’t mean much. Pakistan has also had a female PM.

Turkey and Greece are different countries. Yes.

But you are bored and bad faith posting again.

…and? So was my home country. Actually, parts of it belonged to the Austro Hungarian Empire too, so which country is it now supposed to be indistinguishable from?

For periods in their history, the Ottomans could be fairly liberal in how they handled their vassal states. While not equal to Muslims, other religious groups were granted a large degree of protection and autonomy (this at a time when the Spanish Inquisition was ongoing, and persecuted groups did migrate to the Ottoman Empire to escape this). As long as they remained loyal to the Sultan they were left to manage their own affairs.

India has a female PM and currently has a female president

You aren't posting in good faith so i can't be bothered to respond in kind.

It would be wasted time.

Obviously those are worse

What even compared to Afghanistan? Or Somalia?

Yes, she was incredibly brave. And as you say, fortunately her family and husband were unusually supportive compared to the general reaction. It must have been very scary, especially with the Mafia involved.
It does seem that in Italy in general the law was widely being challenged, but it took until 1981 for the marry your rapist law (enshrined in the official Italian Penal Code) to be repealed, and rape was only legally recognised as a crime against an individual woman in 1996.

Yes, I expect it is a bit different now but I think the South & rural areas are still more conservative. I looked a but into the 'passport bro' phenomenon and a common destination for these unpleasant types seemed to be southern Italy in the belief women were more sexually conservative/domestic etc there- a lot of their ideas about countries are incorrect but probably this one has some accuracy.

Greece were part of the Ottoman empire due to conquest. They fought & gained independence in the early 19th century, and Greeks as well as Armenians suffered genocide from the Turkish army in WW1. Turkey has also become more religiously conservative recently due to Erdoğan although they were founded to be secular.

Plus the Ottoman empire allowed conquered subjects to retain their own religion, customs etc. A little like India has many different customs, a different majority religion despite the British empire, and isn't majority Muslim despite the Muslim Mughals ruling before that.

So you admit a Turkish man and a Greek man are fundamentally different? Hmm

Is this a question or “question”?

Lots of countries were parts of empires and have close historical relationships. Still doesn’t make them similar or stop them being dissimilar in many ways.

But Greece was part of the ottoman empire and they have such a close historical relationship