AIBU for feeling uncomfortable watching Zverev in the Wimbledon final?

This is very sweeping. I’m not sure if you struggle to see nuance.

sinners doping was incredibly miniscule, it would not have affected performance, and he’s passed every other urine test and is worlds number one. So clearly not relying on drugs.

as for zverev, my go to is always to beleive the woman. His ex could not breathe properly or swallow properly for days. You can decide that as he’s handsome you don’t beleive her.

it kinda disgusts me you think that way, but you have every right to.

Almost all tennis players display a temper on the court - that proves absolutely nothing.

And no, innocent celebrities often don't want to go through years of legal battles that could be career-ruining and extremely expensive and rather pay a fine/settlement to end the case there and then.

Agree he is so creepy - so glad he didn’t win!

He was kicked out of the Mexican open in 2022 for smashing his racquet against the umpire’s chair.
He has anger issues; that’s pretty clear.

In my defence, Zverev is extremely handsome 🤣 just kidding...

Sinner's doping test was positive. No denying that. All athletes when caught doping have excuses gor how the substances "unknowingly" got into their system.

Zverev was investigated and the case against him discontinued.

But surely if you were innocent you would want to go to court to clear your name?
Why would these women lie?
His displays of temper on court are not good too and speak to his character.

This is a complete misrepresentation of the truth!!

The German newspaper Stern reported:

"The criminal proceedings against tennis star Alexander Zverev for alleged domestic abuse were discontinued on June 7, 2024, without a guilty verdict or an official determination of innocence. The Tiergarten District Court in Berlin dropped the case after Zverev agreed to pay a €200,000 fine (€150,000 to the state treasury and €50,000 to non-profit organizations).
Zverev had originally appealed a €450,000 penalty order for allegedly assaulting his former girlfriend Brenda Patea in May 2020. Because the process was halted by mutual consent between Zverev, the prosecution, and the complainant, no formal judgment was issued."

He was NOT found guilty and the case against him discontinued

No he isn’t, he appealed, it went to trial he settled, the orginal order is now voided.

So you do belive Sinner is guilty on a drugs charge but you you don't believe Zverev is guilty when TWO exes accuse him of domestic abuse and he's very clearly demonstrated that he has a violent temper?

Well he didn’t win…..

What he says is interesting but his delivery lilt and tone is awful and makes it really difficult to listen to him.

I believe the women. The backlash women get when they speak up against men and in particular famous men and sportsmen means they don't make allegations lightly.
I know a couple of pillars of the community who have got away with it because they've employed the services of a SHL. Nasty, violent domestic abusers but officially not guilty.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty love?

The German system which, when there is compelling evidence there can be a penalty order without the need for a trial ... which he was given with a fine of £400k.

So he is guilty in German law.

No, independent ones appointed by the governing body,

Two women accused him of the same type of abuse? Neither was proven false.

Experts instructed and paid by Sinner's legal team? 😂

The experts disagree with you, I’m unsure of your credentials, but all the experts who were consulted said due to the extreme minuscule amount, the fact the ointment was proven to be contaminated feel that it is hugely likely what he said happened happened.

i am only going on the investigations, but am happy for you to post your own and your credentials and correct.

Zverev and the mother of his kid co-parent their kid amicably and he has a great relationship with his daughter by all accounts (see photo).

People love to make up and exaggerate stories about successful beautiful people.

The twice is just two tests a week apart showing the same contamination at different stages. It was well below an effective dose, which is presumably why it was possible to accept the account of cross-contamination via his coach. I'm inclined to find that account plausible because of the quantities involved.

I personally don't find that explanation convincing. You only need minuscule amounts of many substances to have a huge effect. Think about the tiny weight of recreational drugs needed to get high. And while that amount may not have been effective at the time of the test, its peak effectiveness would have presumably been designed to be some time before the test (and the aim would have been to have it out of his system completely before in-tournament testing).

Low quantity because he was trying to make sure it disappears from his system before they test him at the tournament. It's well-known that's it's a whole tactical/timing issue of when to take the substance so it disappears from your system in time. Doping enables you to train much harder, build more muscle quicker and have a much faster recovery time. It's not just done to be able to run fast at tournaments. In fact, the smart savvy athletes do everything possible to make the substance disappear before major competitions where they know they will get tested.

The twice is just two tests a week apart showing the same contamination at different stages. It was well below an effective dose, which is presumably why it was possible to accept the account of cross-contamination via his coach. I'm inclined to find that account plausible because of the quantities involved.

For Iga Swiatek, whom other people have mentioned, there was clearly no fault. The manufacturers had more of the batch tested, and it was contaminated - presumably a shared assembly line. Very hard on her, since she was clearly shaken by the whole process.

Nobody seems to care if it's a man who is good at a sport. Different sport but look at McGregor who was found civilly liable for sexual assault yet had a big comeback in the UFC. Yes he failed to make the comeback he wanted but he would have still been paid a huge amount and had sponsorship dealings. I didn't watch the Wimbledon final yesterday, didn't have the appeal it usually does.

Same in music. Actually it's the same in life, these men just get on with their lives and their victims have to try and deal with the consequences.

It's less that "they" treat stars differently and more that the stars have much, much more money to throw at the best legal teams and most watertight legal defenses. Swiatek's talked about how much money she had to spend on fighting her case - I can't remember the exact sum but someone like Moore just wouldn't have those funds.

From my understanding Moore's case was hampered by the fact that she couldn't get around the negligence aspect - she claimed she ingested a steroid via meat in a restaurant, but players who travel to South America are clearly warned that beef in those countries is likely to pose a doping risk.

Sinners doping allegations were a minuscule quantity found in his urine, his explanation that he was treated by a physio for a minor injury with an ointment that inadvertently contained it, is believed by experts, it’s wholly credible and would have had no impact on his performance as it was such a small amount.

as for zverev I was also cheering him on yesterday and think he’s really attractive, then my daughter told me about the domestic abuse and it’s really fucking bad, so that changed my view.

the mother of his child says he pushed her against a wall and strangled her with two hands, she had trouble breathing and swallowing for several days after. The evidence was so compelling the German court saw no need for a trial and issued him a fine, which is they way they do things there, it was about 500k.

he then had the right to appeal, which he did, which forces it to trial,and during the trial he settled, stating it was due to their shared child. He paid about 200 odd k. Most of which went to the court.

she is not saying he abused her at any other time.

Then another ex said he regularly abused her, including strangling, which he also denies, and as she never reported to police there is nothing thay can be done.

yesterday watching him what I saw was a man with a red hot temper that he struggles to contain, so as much as it’s not proven, I beleive it.

but I’m not sure I beleive he’s the stereotypical abuser, dishing out regular beatings as he feels powerful when he does it . I think this is a man who has a temper he can’t control and when pushed in an argument or in stressful situations becomes violent.

i have an acquaintance who suffered domestic abuse, and it was constant basically, there was always another punch waiting for her, another strangulation, hair pulling or push down the stairs, I’d say she was attacked at a min every two weeks.

i know his ex said he was a regular abuser, but the mother of his child isn’t saying that. She’s saying one very serious incident. Which doesn’t make it better or worse, he should be in jail for it, but i suspect this is a man who loses control.

I didn't know either, about Zverev or the Sinner drugs allegations.

Bloody disappointing, and I love tennis too.