AIBU for feeling uncomfortable watching Zverev in the Wimbledon final?

On one thing I agree though - Conor McGregor is absolutely vile 🤮

What's the point in having a legal system when the court of public opinion always thinks "there's no smoke without fire" and "why would women lie" (there have in fact been proved cases of malicious allegations by women - but people always still think the men must have been guilty regardless of whether they are acquitted so it's all a bit pointless and circular).

@XelaM, you keep banging on about Zverev “co-parenting amicably” with his ex-partner, as if this is proof that she likes and trusts him. Do you honestly think she has any choice? As you say, he hasn’t been convicted of anything in court, and unfortunately it takes a lot more than (multiple) accusations of violence to prevent a father from seeing his child. Her mother is likely doing what most abused women do, and keeping the peace in order to protect her child.
Zverev may well be a great father - his daughter is very young, she hasn’t done anything to piss him off yet. He’s not a safe person to be around adult women, or anyone who angers him.
What he did to that umpire goes way beyond ‘normal’ racquet abuse - he was completely out of control, in front of an audience of thousands.
I think it is tricky for the BBC - and other bodies - to know how to handle this sort of thing in their commentary. But the on court interviewer saying “You’re a gent, Sascha” after one of his wins was incredibly ill-judged, and I’d imagine very upsetting to the women who have been abused by him.

"Alleged" never proven, and he has joint custody of their child. If I had suffered domestic abuse I would not let that person within 100 miles of our child. So something doesn't add up.

However, he is clearly a successful tennis player and in 2020 was worth about $40m. That could be a tempting pay day for unscrupulous people to lay false allegations ... and I'm not saying they're false but I'm not saying they're real either.

I'm not saying he's guilty or that he's innocent because I wasn't in that room at the time but he has not been found guilty and therefore must be treated as innocent. If you feel uncomfortable then don't watch.

I recommend reading the detailed story of the first ex who accused Zverev of abuse. It rings true. (I'm not saying his second ex's accusation doesn't ring true, but there aren't anything like as many details or corroborating bits of evidence in the public domain.)

web.archive.org/web/20210603210846/racquetmag.com/2020/11/05/olyas-story/

Conor McGregor is a rapist scumbag and Jimmy Kimmel
had him on his show like he’s some kind of hero. Sickening.

There is an Arsenal player too I have just learnt. It’s everywhere, absolutely everywhere. I saw a social media post about Conor McGregor, the amount of men defending him saying he was only convicted in a civil court and that doesn’t matter and he must be innocent. I hope his injury causes him lifelong pain. I’m fucking sick to death of all of it.

I presume all these defenders of Zverev also think Jimmy Saville was misunderstood and Michael Jackson was innocent… I mean, if you’re not concocted of anything …

‘Do you really think he would have joint custody of his daughter if there were any concerns about violence?!’

yes unfortunately.

It’s a misunderstanding of German law to say that Zverev was found guilty because he made a payment, though. It’s a neutral verdict wherein the defendant is considered neither innocent nor guilty; it’s a piece of German legislation for which there is no English equivalent. The payment was not made to the former girlfriend, it was essentially to cover the costs of the case, plus a small (by millionaire standards) charitable donation. I would assume that the fact the girlfriend allows their daughter to be taken abroad by Zverev is a reasonable indication that their co-parenting relationship is stable.

. www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3494635/i-couldnt-see-anything-because-there-were-internet-problems-former-wimbledon

Really?! Blimey that’s shocking.

Me too. You could see the shock and pain in his face.
Nalbandian later rigged up secret cameras in his ex girlfriends house but claimed it was okay because a bad internet connection had meant he couldn't see anything.

Literally just rewatched that.
That’s was awful too. I felt v sorry for the linesman.

I remember that because it reminded me a lot of Nalbandian (another freaking gem of a man 🙄) kicking the advertising board into the line judges leg but I am shocked to say that until someone posted about Zverev on a different thread yesterday, I had absolutely no idea about his ex girlfriends allegations. But I can't claim I was particularly surprised by them either.

I think I am a fan of yours.

It's terrifying that you practice law and yet see the world not only through a misogynistic lens but also only in black or white. I assumed previously that you were simply an uneducated, naive, unworldly idiot.

I do understand how you can hold this view but I know of a woman who suffered serious domestic violence at the hands of her husband. To the outside world, they look amicable, as they attend joint child-related events. He's also had charges dropped by other women he's abused. Things are not always as they seem.

The initial post absolutely captures what’s long people think. I watched the final in a big sports bar and no-one was cheering for him and the fact he likes to choke his girlfriends and is a violent fuck was definitely part of lots of conversations.
he WAS found guilty of committing bodily harm against the mother of his child - under German law penalty orders are issued by the prosecutors office when a trial isn’t considered necessary because there is compelling evidence. HIS penalty order came with a £400k fine.
He then reached an out of court settlement with her which meant legal proceedings were discontinued.
If this was all happening in the U.K. he would have gone to trial, most likely, and gone to prison.

The previous girlfriend there wasn’t enough evidence as it was historic. But I believe her too.

But let’s keep on defending these arseholes because they’re good at sport… as if being able to kick or hit a ball well somehow means you escape punishment for being violent.

He’s not been punished he’s not apologised and he’s not made amends and presumably also hasn’t had any kind of therapy to change his behaviour - as he’s denying it all - so we just have to wait around until he punches or slaps or strangles or controls another woman before he loses status, sponsorship, respect or his freedom.

Omg.
You are delusional.

Thanks for this.
Really disgusting behaviour.

Wouldn't surprise me if "MrsKeats" is Ben Rothenburg stirring up shit.

Guardian link to Z's attack on the umpire:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-FkGeeR-U

Not really sure what your initial post was for tbh. If you feel uncomfortable then don't watch him, simple. The case is closed so I am not sure what you are expecting to happen.

Can you not see the difference between somebody smashing their racquet on the ground and Z's violent, threatening attack on the Mexican umpire?