Vegans

I wasnt horrible at all. People were dicks to me.

Animal rights group writes a letter to express concern for animal welfare. The business they wrote to has taken the concerns on board and cancelled the event. All perfectly reasonable.

Your OP doesn’t seem relevant to the article really, but I suppose it was just to get people moaning about vegans.

Did you raise your kids as vegetarian
or vegan @Gloriia and, if you did, do they remain as such as adults? Did you voice this opinion on those that do eat meat to them?l

and you mention burgers and pies etc
what about chicken salads - same disgust?

Good for you. Why don't you care that animals suffer horrifically and are slaughtered so you can eat pies and burgers though? Don't you agree a better diet and ending animals suffering are good things?

Yup, not all vegans are loud. You will always hear about the most extreme, as with every group.

I also think when it comes to pets, vegans with carnivore pets most really care to be able to feed them meat.

Hi x

I don’t agree. But I give not a single fuck for your judgment

Being as you have said you didn’t do anything wrong yet you were banned, you’re the one full of BS.

Your posts make it very obvious each time you come back with another account or username. You are a pbp with yet another account. One of the threads was very dramatic with loads of your posts deleted because they were horrible, before they finally banned you. People don’t forget stuff like that.

Alright then 🙄 i call bs

I’ve never, ever once encountered one of these supposed preachy vegans in real life. People love moaning about them, though.

@WhenYouAreReady oh yes ‘mmmm bacon’ as desperately old and unamusing as the ‘burn the house down’ on a spider thread.

Goady anti vegan people have even post on there with their anti vegan stance, piss taking emojis, telling us we look old and ill, writing ‘what about bacon sandwiches’ etc. Pathetic really.

I mean if there is maybe people should use it. MN has so many boring tropes about ‘ranting’ vegans.

@Werhere i have found the same too, in ‘real life’ it’s just on here there are always high emotions and drama on Vegan threads, with non vegans being insulting and disparaging though usually

This all feels a bit 1990s to me!

I eat meat and fish. No one give’s a rats arse in my circle whether someone is a vegetarian, vegan or meat eater. We all just rub along and it’s never discussed. Ever

I’ve been vegan 13 years now and find this protest a bit daft tbh. Obviously I think animals should be treated well, as I’m sure most non vegans do too! I’ve volunteered at owl/birds of prey centres previously and all the animals were treated very well. During shows if the birds didn’t want to perform then they just didn’t, it’s not like they’re being forced to do it, and I don’t think it would be physically possible to force them either. Most of the time it helps to educate people on the animals too, which in my opinion I think is a really good cause!
I know some other vegans would call me ‘not a proper vegan’ for the way I am. My kids and partner aren’t vegan or vegetarian. I just like to do my own thing my way haha.

I see what you are saying but taking a more moderate position is likely to gain much more traction. What I mean is that let’s not ban pets because there are some shitty breeders and shitty owners, let’s do a better job of loving the animals we have, coming down harder on breeders and owners who fail, maybe licensing, let’s change over time how we think about pets. Let’s tackle the kennel club et al on overbreeding.

Rather than banning meat production, consult, change, move away from barbaric practices and bring food production more local and less intense, naturally increasing prices and lowering consumption. I realise it’s not that simple but you get the gist.

The extreme or ‘evangelical’ position loses people and is almost impossible to defend.

I say this by the way as someone who has been vegetarian since the late 80’s and who cut out diary a decade ago- so what most would consider a vegan but that not what I think I am.

That's the whole problem as far as I am concerned. Or much of it at least. Our numbers and lifestyles demand that food is produced commercially. And it's that which has led to many of the world's problems. I have no problem in benefitting from animal activity so long as we don't just take, take, take. Bees for example are quite welcome to pollenate plants because that is what they do. Naturally. The "bringing in bees" is the problematic part.

Pets I am afraid I am against. And I say that as a dog lover and owner.
If you'd be out on our morning walk with us this morning you might feel the same. Three dogs, bad examples of breeds which should never have existed, with idiot, and in one case a highly abusive, owners causing problems for me and my dog. And that is of course nothing when you consider the miserable lives that millions of 'pet' animals are forced to live.

I had a friend who was insufferable in the way you describe. Probably still is,

My vegan DD chooses something labelled ‘vegan festive’ and eats the vegetables too.

It definitely wasn’t nothing.

I am vegan and was on a lot of vegan threads that she was vile on. I remember it well as I’m sure many others do @Midnighttilmorning. A friend of mine actually deactivated her account due to that poster.

@clarinsgirl they use a hormone spray now for pollinating figs, commercially at least. Which is good.

I do find that most vegans I meet are irritatingly smug and evangelical.

If what you mean by vegan is that we stop eating dairy and meat then I completely agree. But the vegan ethos goes much further. Avocados aren’t vegan because they can’t be commercially produced without bringing in bees, we shouldn’t keep pets, figs aren’t vegan because a wasp dies in pollination.

The idea of not eating meat, fish and dairy is completely reasonable. The idea of telling everyone else what they can eat and trying to create the fairytale world described earlier is not reasonable.

Ok so the picture is emerging

You were abusive