Vegans

This is such a uniquely mumsnet chat.

In RL I honestly can’t think of one chat I’ve had about this with any of my fellow meat eater friends, vegans or vegetarians. Which just exist happily with one another and enjoy one another’s company over dinner!

Others eat vegan in the week and then eat some non vegan foods at weekends. They are eating less meat though.

You didn’t actually describe these people as vegan did you @WhenYouAreReady ????

Fuck me, never mind the laughable post way back along the lines of, what do all the vegans think would happen..? you can't even comprehend what I wrote.
I would try to not let the food go to waste. I may have it, I may not. But I would try to be flexible as you put it.
As for rude, it's not necessarily rude to refuse something. It can be rude not to remember people's preferences.
And while I don't an allergy, I am senstive to it and don't wish to have an upset stomach and spend the night farting so as not to offend someone who can't be bothered to give me suitable food or drink. Or nothing. As I have said if you'd only read my posts. But of course you have, you're just spoiling for a fight.

You really don’t want to elaborate on your own situation do you @Gloriia . Like whether you raised your own kids vegetarians , whether you made your disgust on meat eaters apparent to them, and whether they are still vegetarian.

So I’d be confident the answer is
Yes you raised them vegetarian
yes you made you disgust for meat eaters abundantly clear to your children

and no… they are not vegetarians as adults!

Just to be clear @BakedPotatoBeansCheeseColeslaw if someone can't take the time to get my drink right - black would do if you don't have plant milk - I've got to consume a drink I don't like which is going to give me an upset stomach and make me fart?
People take you take the full-of-palm-oil biscuit 😡

Yes it is rude. Extremely. Don’t forget your diet is just a preference, you don’t have an allergy.

I’m not obsessed. I’m just pointing out that society finds vegans much less insufferable when they have the capacity to be just a tiny bit flexible. She obviously wouldn’t sit down and eat a steak, but if someone forgot, she would just politely eat the sides. You don’t need to be so puritanical about it.

The egg has already been used - worse to waste all that suffering surely!

Reminds me of this card.

If you eat meat you are not a vegan.

Well that’s just rude isn’t it.
No
I repeat my comment above - you can’t expect people, particularly older people, to have a complete understanding of what you will or won’t eat.
Don't provide anything then, I'll bring my own food to this hypothetical bbq
No need to make them feel bad.
Why would I make them feel bad? I can't make anybody feel anything.
A bit of egg won’t kill you.
Helloooo! It's not about the egg...
If you care about the planet you should care about wasting food.
I do. Very much.

I'm not sure why you are so obsessed @BakedPotatoBeansCheeseColeslaw and I'm even more puzzled as to where you are getting your facts from. There's no critical thinking going on that's for sure.

You've literally said she's a kind of vegan unless someone forgets and she's too polte to <checks notes> 'cause a fuss'. In which case she isn't a vegan.

'A complete non-comparison. Smoking is unilaterally bad for you. I know some vegans like to claim that meat is bad for you too but it just isn’t the case '

It is bad for the animals though, suffering horrible deaths and people should see that suffering before they eat their burgers and pies. If they don't care, well that says mores about them but a lot of people have a total disconnect between the cute lambs and cows in the fields and how their body parts ends up on their plates.

No one ever presented her with a beef burger what a ridiculous hyperbole and deliberate misinterpretation of what I said. I am talking about examples of when someone has gone out of their way to buy something they think is suitable (Quorn is a good example) and unfortunately they haven’t quite got it right. No need to be a performative dick about it.

What I wouldn't be doing is recognising the host's 'efforts' at trying to include me.

Well that’s just rude isn’t it. I repeat my comment above - you can’t expect people, particularly older people, to have a complete understanding of what you will or won’t eat. In the bbq example, they have tried and got it wrong. No need to make them feel bad. A bit of egg won’t kill you. In the coffee example, it was just a force of habit. If you care about the planet you should care about wasting food.

'Actually a lot of the time it is making a fuss, particularly when someone has gone out of their way to buy or make something to include your dietary preferences'

'Making a fuss'. Fgs. If someone presented me with a burger I wouldn't eat it to be polite. Your poor sil seems to have been surrounded by thick, intolerant people. We have veggies, vegans and meat eaters in our extended family. I'd never expect anyone just eat whatever the fuck I present them with because I'm too thick to plan accordingly.

If someone made me a coffee with cow's milk I'd rather drink it than it go down the sink and a new one be made for me with plant milk. But unfortunately I really dislike the taste of cow's milk now after not having it for many years and worse still, there would be some pretty unpleasant consequences. I find if you don't consume lactose regularly you lose the ability to digest it and it gives rise to some pretty potent farts. So, taking all things into account, I'd ask for a fresh one.

With the meat-free thing for the bbq, I'd ask if that could be refrigerated or frozen and eaten by someone else another day. But if it were going to go to waste, I'd probably eat it depending on how eggy it was because I can't stand eggs.

What I wouldn't be doing is recognising the host's 'efforts' at trying to include me.

Veganism isn’t increasing though. It’s been on the decline since it peaked in 2019/2020.

A complete non-comparison. Smoking is unilaterally bad for you. I know some vegans like to claim that meat is bad for you too but it just isn’t the case and many people switch back to eating meat because they aren’t healthy on a vegan only diet.

Even my friend who used to be quite militant has relented over the years and will eat eggs from domestically kept chickens, and ate eggs from anywhere throughout her pregnancy, because she recognises the health benefits and didn’t want her child to develop an egg allergy.

None of us can predict the future, but veganism and vegetarianism are increasing.

My kids are teens and early twenties and between them and their friendship groups, there are loads of vegetarians and vegans. Others eat vegan in the week and then eat some non vegan foods at weekends. They are eating less meat though. Their generation seems to be more concerned about animal welfare, their health, and the planet than previous generations and believe that less meat is the way to go. If that continues, they’ll bring up their kids the same way. People are eating
less meat than they used to.

Change that stays often happens slowly. I think and hope the future is vegan. There is much intelligent discussion about it from experts.
I would listen to them over people who have gone on threads previously just to wind up vegans, talk about bacon sandwiches and say all the vegans they know look ill etc.

It is. A quick google will tell you that governments are investing literally millions in it!

People can make decisions without all of the facts.

We do it all the time.

Theres a wealth of information easily accessible to everyone 24/7 so if someone is choosing not to get that information first, that's their right. It's not up to some random on the street to be issuing leaflets about rape and murder in order to fuel their own ego.

Actually a lot of the time it is making a fuss, particularly when someone has gone out of their way to buy or make something to include your dietary preferences and they didn’t get it quite right. Why would a person who isn’t vegan, particular an older person, have any idea that they won’t consume certain types of wine? Or that honey is off limits to some vegans. The point is, it’s much more tolerable to recognise when people have made an effort and just bloody well eat it anyway without fussing - it won’t kill them.

Lovely SIL really never expected anyone to cater for her preferences at all and was extremely grateful when they had tried. Other vegans won’t flex and make it uncomfortable for everyone or worse, try to dictate what others can eat around them - I had a vegan tell me I couldn’t order ribs at a restaurant once because she didn’t want to look at it!

Totally agree. We see pics of rotten teeth on fag packets so the meat counter should have pics and footage of slaughterhouses for transparency.

Some folk seem to think if the animals they eat lived <allegedly> on a pretty farm they weren't then subjected to torture and a horrible death. If they showed films in school I bet kids would all be veggie.

People can’t make decisions without the facts, and incredibly, many people are still unaware of the suffering animals go through.

For that reason , I think it’s completely fine to wake people up to the cruelty of the meat and dairy industry. As I’ve said, obviously little children don’t need to see the reality, but there is no problem with teens and adults being provided with the full facts.

It’s hardly ‘making a fuss’ as a vegan to not drink the cows milk you accidentally put in the coffee or not eat something with egg in. It’s just being vegan.

It took me way too long to realise that the first group could make an effort themselves.

I prepared perfectly good vegan food while they did nothing but complain. Dining out was of their choice of restaurant every time or more complaining.
One day as guests in our home there was alcohol in a dessert — even though everything else was 100% vegan and a another dessert was served which was vegan/non alcoholic. I have heard for that alkohol dessert five drops or so for soo long and I was criticized for failing to bring a vegan dish to a communal meal in a volunteer setting (where few people were vegan and no vegans contributed). I really don't see it as my responsibility.

That was the end of my hospitality. No more. The second group no problems at all. I can serve whatever I like at their visits they don't mind dishes with meat but just help themselves to the vegan dishes. Often more people attend and have different habits. Makes things so much easier. Eating out is a oh what can we do so we are all happy not just attending fancy vegan places.

We aren't vegans but we eat very little meat so vegan cooking is a skill in our house but enough can be enough.