Vegans

Sorry @BakedPotatoBeansCheeseColeslaw but you do not understand what the word respect means. You do no have to agree with the fact that some people try to limit the harm we do to other living, sentient beings by not eating them or their produce but to not respect their right to do so says everything one needs to know about you.

I while I understand that some people with autism experience eating difficulties, eating something they find difficult is not going to kill them. Just as you said eating an egg isn't going to kill a vegan. And, as I said, see if you can take this on board now without hitting out with your nonsense again, I support their right to eat what they like.

I really hope you are not a support worker because that is a role that requires empathy and you clearly have no genuine empathy. You may be able to put on a show but people will see through it so I hope it's just more of your nonsense.

As for this statement:
Any illness you experience from eating meat or dairy would be entirely self inflicted.
But if I refused you'd accuse me of wasting food. Of being fussy.
You really are arguing against yourself now. Perhaps you'd forgotten that you said that it would be incredibly rude if I refused a coffee made for me with dairy milk or something to go on the bbq that contained eggs. As you said, it's not going to kill me, and great aunt Doris has been to so much effort and she can't be expected to read the label on a box of burgers now can she?

And please do not link me to people talking about rape. I have not once mentioned that word in this thread.

Everyone I know who cuts out meat and animal products do so out of concerns about animal welfare and also their own health. Still, we aren't all kind compassionate people. Of course those with ED will cut out random things from their diet, that is obviously nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Have you heard of legumes? Theyre a great animal body parts substitute and very healthy too, full of protein and fibre. No suffering required and 40p a tin so this 'dodgy nutrition industry catering for it' aren't very good at profiteering are they .

Nearly everyone I know who has a diet that involves cutting out food groups probably has a borderline eating disorder and there is a whole dodgy 'nutrition' industry catering for it.

Sounds like your friend has an eating disorder

One of my best friends is vegan. She isn't that bothered about animal welfare, she just likes cutting things out of her diet and always has done. It gives her a feeling of control.

Vegetarians are usually much more reasonable, measured people!

It’s not bloody rape. This is one of the reasons @redboxer321 you’re right, I don’t respect vegans and I don’t have to. That doesn’t mean I don’t know the meaning of respect. It means I have thought about what respect is, what opinions and views deserve if and directed it accordingly. We don’t have to blindly respect everyone’s views, particularly if we think they are nonsense.

It’s hyperbole and totally offensive to people who have experienced SA to make the comparison between farming and rape. @redboxer321 You also clearly don’t know anything about autism if you think their eating difficulties are a choice either. Any illness you experience from eating meat or dairy would be entirely self inflicted.

I am not a vegetarian but you are exactly like every vegetarian I have ever encountered…. Never ever goes on about. Never lectures l. Just rubs on along nicely with meat eaters.

At least that is amongst my social circle both close and broader.

'A vegan does have a choice. It’s a preference. Fussiness ultimately as I said upthread.'

It isn't 'fussiness' to care about thr welfare of animals and to not want them to suffer horrifically for our pleasure. Hope that helps.

I was vegan for a while a few years ago and have been vegetarian since I was 12. I stopped eating meat because I never really liked it as a kid and would pick it out of food if I could. Still have distinct memories of picking the horrible little sausages out of beans but it still had the porky taste and I found it repulsive.

I never and would never go on and on about being veggie. I don’t care what anyone else eats even remotely. In my house I will not cook nor handle meat but that’s largely because I’ve never done it, find it disgusting, wouldn’t want to kill anyone… DH is welcome to cook it if he wishes. All I ask is that bacon is cooked in a well ventilated room because I can’t stand the stench.

Most veggies are just regular people going about their everyday lives. I’d love a bird of prey event like that and I’m an RSPB member, can’t see how it’s cruel at all.

That despite listening to the “education” that you have learned from vegans regarding the horrors of the meat and the dairy industry… you still eat meat and dairy.

Just pointing out that the “education” you have listened to / endured…. Hasn’t “worked”.

What’s the point you are trying to make exactly?

Considering your opinion is that strange men should teach small kids about rape in the middle of a family fun day if the parents haven't already done it, I won't get too upset about your opinion of me, its clearly not worth a lot.

Yeah, I think you are weird. And suffering very much from cognitive dissonance.

If you dont explain to your 5yo child what rape and murder is you think its OK for a random guy on the street to do it? And you think what im doing is weird?

What age should we be explaining rape to our children before its acceptable for strangers to do it for us?

Its not me making the connection, its them doing it themselves by handing out leaflets with the word all over it to small kids.

Well, if the parents don't do it, then yes.

You are clearly using the word 'rape' and framing it between 'strange men' and 'young kids' to try and connect the actions of these activists to pedophilia or crime. These activists are not raping the kids, they are explaining how animals are forcibly bred.

I can see exactly what you are doing and it is weird.

Hiding reality from children is wrong. Making them complicit in animal exploitation without their consent is wrong.

Teach your children truths in an age appropriate way and then activists won't rock their world because they will already know the truth and whether they are ok with it.

For what it is worth, I also have no belief that these activists gave leaflets to young kids. But that is just my opinion.

As an aside, children should be aware of consent from a very young age so they are aware if they are being hurt or groomed so the concept of rape should not be alien at all. You're using the word in this concept to try and connect vegans with rape. Well fucking weird of you.

As I said, you clearly have no idea what the word respect means. Nor the word rude@BakedPotatoBeansCheeseColeslaw
The autistic person does have a choice. It's not the same as an allergy. I support their choice to eat what they want but they do have a choice. It is not going to kill them - to use your words - whereas someone with an allergy could be killed by eating something they are allergic to.

A vegan also has a choice. But it is not their preference to not eat animal products. It is certainly not them being fussy. It is their belief that it is not right to do so, especially given the way meat and dairy is produced. And, as I have said, it can cause a person issues if they eat animal products when they are not used to eating them.

It’s not my reasoning at all though is it. The autistic person doesn’t have a choice, they can’t help it. In the same way as someone with an allergy doesn’t have a choice. So it’s not rude.

A vegan does have a choice. It’s a preference. Fussiness ultimately as I said upthread.

Nothing like a vegan-bashing thread - started by a one-post-and-run poster - has shown that while there is much worth saving in this world, the human race ain't one of those things.

Is it up to random strange guys on the street to educate small kids about rape?

Im not sure its a weird take to suggest it probably isn't.

Trying to make out that education about reality of food production is simply 'strange men chatting to kids about rape' is certainly one of the fucking weirdest defenses of animal exploitation I have heard. Maybe not THE weirdest, though. People get so defensive over choices they know are wrong that they come up with such bizarre shit. It's hilarious the lengths they go to

Kids should know this shit.

My parents were very keen on meat and hid the truth for far too long because I was born a bleeding heart animal lover and they knew it would be a pain in the arse for them if I knew my food was cut up bits of cute, dead animals. As soon as I was aware of the meat industry I stopped eating it but felt a lot of guilt for the tiny bit of extra demand my diet put on the meat industry for the few years I ate meat and then on the egg and dairy industry after that because I was not educated in what the production of milk and eggs meant for the mothers.

Took me til my teens to learn that cows don't just naturally produce milk and chickens don't kindly just 'lay a little egg for me' in cozy barn.

I wish someone had given me a leaflet earlier and let me make informed choices. No one can choose without facts. And parents should be shamed for not giving facts.

Feel free to claim anything you like. Your previous posts show you don't even know the meaning of the word respect. And btw, a postgraduate qualification really means very little these days.

Vegans do indeed have a choice and they choose to not consume animal products. It doesn't matter that it's unlikely to kill them. Eating food they are sensitive to is unlikely to kill autistic adults. So by your reasoning autistic adults should also eat food they choose not to too. Anything else would be rude. And wasteful. I mean, what about poor Grandma who can't be expected to keep up with people's eating habits and has done her best to provide food so that everyone feels included?
This is your reasoning.

I know, I was pointing out they don't hand out the leaflets in supermarkets 🤷🏽‍♀️

But still eating meat and dairy let’s be clear!