Vegans

Agree. They are made of meat, like the rest of us.

Their diet, on the other hand...

I don't know why people think vegans are hard work 🙄

Pass me a burger.

It still makes no sense that your diet was more vegan than vegetarian because purely vegan meat substitutes didn't exist.

If you'd have said my diet was more vegan because I don't like eggs or am lactose intolerant we would have understood

My apologies - lactose intolerant and I've never really liked eggs in any form.

Is everybody happy now? Knicker elastic untwisted?

Are we supposed to make literal eagles vegan now?My eyes rolled so much they are in the back of my head.
Absolutely ridiculous.

'We should all strive to be vegan or veggie.'
I don't. I think we should all strive to eat with more thought for the planet.
Good quality meat every now and then is fine, should you choose to eat it.
I choose not to.

Inner choice and aslong as she’s happy that’s the main thing, my point was she doesn’t sound like she’s a vegan for the usual reason a vegan is a vegan

I'm not aggressive, I'm tired. Quorn used to contain some egg derivative, no idea now.

And I don't care what you think.

It is the vegan society’s definition:

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

I don’t have a horse in the race either… as a vegan, we’re against that (sorry, I couldn’t resist)

My food was naturally vegan because there was no Quorn or meat substitutes.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

Why are you so aggressive? I have no axe to grind against vegans.

But you said this....

I was vegetarian early 90s for over 15 years. My food was naturally vegan because there was no Quorn or meat substitutes

Quorn and meat substitutes are vegan aren't they? Why would the fact they weren't around mean your diet was more vegan than vegetarian. Why did their absence make you less likely to eat eggs or dairy. I don't care what you eat or don't eat.. it just makes no logical/linguistic sense.

I expect you are one of those people who has to pile on saying you can’t live without cheese or bacon 😴

Or someone claiming to be an animal lover - when what you mean is cats and dogs but not cows and pigs.

We should all strive to be vegan or veggie. Eating animals is not ok. I don't preach but I do judge those shoving pork pies or bacon butties in their faces.

Concern with the welfare of birds being used for entertainment is not the same as having a rescue pet.

And if you read my subsequent post...

Generally.

I don't care.

Okay, one more time...

No I don't know what veganism is about because I don't want to be one. I generally ate vegan food, still do now and I couldn't give a shit about anybody's thougts on me having a steak.

I am a vegetarian and I have a lot of friends, colleagues, acquaintances who are vegan. The only people I know who ever bend my ear about veganism are omnivores! Vegans get whinged at for supposedly proselytising, for eating too much processed food, for eating rabbit food, for being superior, I've literally never encountered any of it. Just some supremely defensive meat eaters!

Again, I would politely want to disagree. That might be your definition of vegan, but there isn't a single vegan authority dictating correct vegan beliefs. Opposing exploitation of animals is a common theme, but equating that to opposing pet ownership isn't in either a dictionary definition not the vegan society's definition.

I don't have a horse in the race, I'm not vegan, but I am a vegetarian who's spent years putting up with seemingly endless "you're doing it wrong if..." comments. I just think we should accept the right of individuals to decide on the nuances of their own moral stance.

No. You said you were naturally vegan because there were no meat style substitutes. That makes no sense. If you were just vegetarian then why couldn't you eat eggs or cheese

I've just addressed it.

I was thinking back to foods I ate. It was a vegetable based diet then. Plenty of pulses and rice.

I should have clarified that, that was my diet. Naturally was the wrong word - generally would have been better.

We think similarly @Midnighttilmorning
But you do a lot more than me.
Hope it doesn't sound cheesy to say thank you for all your efforts.

Fully deserved.

Generally speaking I'd make curries, chillis - anything rice based with vegetables.

I didn't live off pizzas and cheese sandwiches.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you.

I wondered this too ..that post made zero sense

I’m a vegan but we take in stray/injured/in need animals. Some we help nurse back to health and they go onto other homes and some stay with us. We’ve had everything over the years from cats, dogs, rabbits, chickens, pigs, sheep, horses, also injured wildlife like hedgehogs.

Its a difficult issue for me because we have to feed some non vegan food, but my view is that as humans we have fucked the planet up for animals, so I do what I feel is best, which is me being vegan and the animals having the food they need. I would never buy a pet, I’m against most deliberate breeding. Most dog breeders make me sick. We have a dog with us at the moment who has been dumped after she is no longer useful for breeding. I dread to think how many litters she has had. She is a mess physically, she is so anxious and it will take a lot to get her back to full health.

Having a rescue is definitely preferable but its still having an animal living in 'captivity' so is against vegan principles really.