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The Waltons weren't poor

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Redflagsabounded · 10/07/2026 14:43

I'm watching an episode and a neighbour comes by saying he's been living on skimmed milk and wild onions for 2 years. Grandpa sympathises and pipes up that he's lived on the edge of poverty his whole life. The show description says follow the family through the hardships of the Depression. Admittedly, there are episodes where the children walk to and from school with no boots/shoes. Generally speaking it's presented as a poor family.
But

  • they had 7 kids (people then did know how babies were made and didn't have to have large families despite lack of contraception, the pull out method is not infallible but been used forever)
  • they own a bloody mountain full of timber, and run a sawmill business
  • they have livestock, chickens for eggs, and garden for veggies
  • they own a truck
  • they own a massive house
  • everyone's well fed and well clothed, just maybe not always the latest 'smart' outfits when they want one

They were in no way 'poor' for the 1930s.

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lljkk · 13/07/2026 07:45

Grapes of Wrath is grim, is meant to be about forced (internal) migration/ displacement, not simply about the Great Depression. Of Mice and Men also describes 1930s rural poverty and itinerant workers, not just about a guy with LDs.

The social portrait in To Kill a Mockingbird is better (than GoW) imho for showing 1930s southern poverty. The teacher not understanding the child who came to school with no shoes or lunch, for instance. Scout was feral but she was also grateful to live in a prosperous household & to have choices in life. Which fits with the sequel books where she follows those opportunities to escape the stiltifying atmosphere.

Redflagsabounded · 12/07/2026 18:36

This was a light-hearted post, that has turned into a really interesting discussion, thank you for the different points of view and recommendations.

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DeftGoldHedgehog · 12/07/2026 07:43

maxslice · 11/07/2026 19:48

Watch THE MILL on, I think, Amazon Prime. Your craving for misery will be satisfied by by its depiction of a textile mill in the north.

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It's definitely not me with a craving for misery.

suburburban · 12/07/2026 07:08

Peachykeenjosephine · 12/07/2026 00:45

Yes! I'd forgotten her real name was Michael 🤣🤣

Yes me too

Peachykeenjosephine · 12/07/2026 00:45

Additup · 10/07/2026 15:36

I see your Grapes of Wrath and I raise you The Trouble I've Seen by the late, great Martha Gelhorn. A book of factual short stories/recollections of life during the Great Depression. The last story about child prostitution is so awful I couldn't finish it.

The Waltons had it easy in comparison, although they could have benefited from some contraception. Also, surely the most pressing thing aboug the Waltons is why the mother actresses real name is/was Michael. That used to really confuse child me 😅

Yes! I'd forgotten her real name was Michael 🤣🤣

EBearhug · 11/07/2026 22:58

maxslice · 11/07/2026 19:48

Watch THE MILL on, I think, Amazon Prime. Your craving for misery will be satisfied by by its depiction of a textile mill in the north.

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I read the book this was based on, or possibly the book was a spin-off from the series. Anyway, it was just after my mill and mine holiday last year (Derbyshire, Quarry Bank - site of the Mill,) and mining museums. I like a good bit of industrial history.

Toastytina · 11/07/2026 22:06

Yes its on great tv. Free streaming channel

OonaStubbs · 11/07/2026 20:28

Is the Waltons on any of the streaming services? I would love to watch it again.

SqueakyFromme · 11/07/2026 19:56

I always wondered what Hominy Grits were, before the internet

maxslice · 11/07/2026 19:51

Toastytina · 11/07/2026 02:37

I always wanted to try that recipe the Baldwin sisters made.

“Papa’s recipe” I wish I had the formula too.

maxslice · 11/07/2026 19:48

DeftGoldHedgehog · 11/07/2026 00:40

That would be a different programme. It's just telling one family's story, in a way that appealed to millions of others across the world at the time.

Watch THE MILL on, I think, Amazon Prime. Your craving for misery will be satisfied by by its depiction of a textile mill in the north.

maxslice · 11/07/2026 19:45

AuntieNorma · 10/07/2026 15:05

Yes, entertainment requires what’s called ‘ a suspension of disbelief’ , otherwise you’ll pick holes in it as if it were real.

So, exactly like OP.

suburburban · 11/07/2026 17:25

I remember one episode where cousin Rose and her dc visit and John got annoyed as her son was being faddy

also the Poltergeist episode was really scary, I did like the show

HelenaWilson · 11/07/2026 14:15

A large family means more people to work on the farm.

The farm has to be big enough to support them all.

hahabahbag · 11/07/2026 14:14

It’s a fictionalised version of a real family but made appealing to the audience of the time. I’ve seen a programme on the real family it was based on and things were tighter than depicted in the show. The number of children was typical in that area in that era, remember religion had a lot of influence and pastors/preachers definitely favoured larger families and women had little say in this (look at bios and listen to lyrics by country singers as to how male dominated those areas were and how many kids lived in shacks without running water).

what is considered deprived changes over time eg on Mumsnet people wrote as if kids sharing a bedroom is wrong where 100 years ago whole families shared one room in a tenement block with kids sharing beds.

Laurmolonlabe · 11/07/2026 14:02

Complaining about poverty is mostly about expectations- there is always someone poorer than you. They are resource and business owners, so not really poor, but as such they could reasonably expect not to send children to school shoeless- so from their perspective they were poor.

OvernightBloats · 11/07/2026 09:12

Beekman · 11/07/2026 04:31

I don’t think it’s a particularly large house for the US but they did appear well fed and comfortable unless the storyline required them not to be for that week’s episode.

I have visited Walton’s Mountain and surrounding area and it’s one of the most hostile to outsiders places I have ever visited. Wherever we went, we got stared at and our out-of-state plates on the car made us a target on the roads. When we were driving around admiring the scenery, householders would come onto their porches with guns when they spotted a strange car. We had dinner in a chain restaurant and were stared at for a full hour by locals in there. There is a Walton’s museum there which for no known reason has a “war room” which includes Nazi memorabilia including a massive Swasitika flag proudly on display. We didn’t stick around for the planned length of our stay. Very unlikely they would have been friendly to outsiders back then either.

Oh my god! That must have been so unsettling. Why were they grabbing their guns so quickly?

This is what scares me about America - the easy access to guns and the willingness to use them. 😲The Waltons seems very, very sanitised in comparison.

Monty36 · 11/07/2026 05:43

The Waltons is a sanitised rosy glasses world of rural life in the 30’s in the US.
It is a TV show with underlying moral themes of the goodness of being a Christian and coming from a close family.

It is not a reality of the depression in the US . As someone else has said The Grapes of Wrath is that.

Dawnintheageofaquariams · 11/07/2026 05:00

And the show glosses over the incest that definitely happened.

Beekman · 11/07/2026 04:31

I don’t think it’s a particularly large house for the US but they did appear well fed and comfortable unless the storyline required them not to be for that week’s episode.

I have visited Walton’s Mountain and surrounding area and it’s one of the most hostile to outsiders places I have ever visited. Wherever we went, we got stared at and our out-of-state plates on the car made us a target on the roads. When we were driving around admiring the scenery, householders would come onto their porches with guns when they spotted a strange car. We had dinner in a chain restaurant and were stared at for a full hour by locals in there. There is a Walton’s museum there which for no known reason has a “war room” which includes Nazi memorabilia including a massive Swasitika flag proudly on display. We didn’t stick around for the planned length of our stay. Very unlikely they would have been friendly to outsiders back then either.

maxslice · 11/07/2026 04:09

lljkk · 10/07/2026 20:15

My grandmother's grandmother was born about 1850. She raised her children on the North Dakota prairies. She had about 11 children, of whom only 4 made it to adulthood.

I dunno, if you were born 1895 & your grandmother was telling you about her 7 children who didn't survive long, I think you'd be minded to see a large family as a welcome blessing.

A large family means more people to work on the farm.

maxslice · 11/07/2026 04:07

HelenaWilson · 10/07/2026 17:43

In America, owning a massive house on a massive bit of land is not the indicator of wealth that it is in the UK

Not necessarily an indicator of wealth even in the uk. Plenty of landed gentry have had house and land but drove old cars, wore old clothes and would have struggled to raise the cash to fix a leaking roof.

Exactly. It’s called being “House Poor”. You have a home and land but very little in disposable income. This is a common situation in the Southern United States.

maxslice · 11/07/2026 04:04

knitnerd90 · 11/07/2026 00:51

I was going to use Dolly Parton as an example of Appalachian poverty!

The Waltons absolutely soft-soap things — and Virginia was a Jim Crow state, they certainly didn't show that. But most people didn't own land to farm at all. Many miners lived in company towns where they didn't own their homes, and bought their food at high prices from the company store. You wouldn't have been self sufficient. You were tied to local employers in ways that urban slum dwellers were not. Coal companies were strike-breaking up until the 1970s (at that point, it was becoming moot because the industry was shrinking so much).

To this day the poorest places in the USA are Native reservations and central Appalachia. LBJ, who grew up pretty poor himself, was appalled when he visited during his War on Poverty. Here's some photos of what that looked like:

https://time.com/3878609/war-on-poverty-appalachia-portraits-1964/

To this day, West Virginia has the lowest life expectancy in the US, over a decade less than the healthiest states.

Sharecroppers in the Deep South were almost as badly off. There's a famous book called Let Us Now Praise Famous Men about the lives of three tenant families during the Depression.

As stated earlier, they had a sawmill. It didn’t matter what most people had or didn’t, they weren’t most people. The series is loosely based on writer Earl Hamner’s family. The focus of the show was the strength and love of family and the belief in community. If there’s no conflict, no obstacle, no struggle, there’s no story. The car, the radio, etc. are props to support the narrative. It was never intended to be about the bleak, gritty, hopeless aspects of the Great Depression. It was meant to be cozy, inspiring, and uplifting. It was meant to ENTERTAIN. That’s all.

Toastytina · 11/07/2026 02:37

I always wanted to try that recipe the Baldwin sisters made.

OonaStubbs · 11/07/2026 01:47

They could afford a radio which was a luxury item at the time.