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Am I being a total cow?

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Rugrats2020 · 10/07/2026 08:23

Our cleaner just messaged cancelling our clean today because it’s going to be 26 here (which is a hell of a lot better than the 30 it’s been the last few days)

She then said that going forward, she won’t be working at all if the temp is over 25.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I completely get its physical work and there is no way I’d have expected her to work the last couple of days, but my worry is it genuinely hasn’t been below 25 degrees here for weeks and this could go on all summer.

I replied re today saying okay but if she’d rather work (and not lose out on the money) I’m more than happy for her to do half of what she normally does, or just whatever she can do if she wants to sit down for regular breaks etc. I always make her drinks if I’m here or tell her to help herself to drinks etc when we’re not. It’s a 2 hour slot. She messaged back saying thanks but she won’t be working at all if it’s over 25 degrees.

I had quite a major operation 2 weeks ago (which she knows about) and could really have done with her not cancelling today (as I said, if it was really hot like the last few days I wouldn’t have expected her to come)

I’m now wondering whether to look for another cleaner, but then does that make me a total cow? I get on pretty well with my cleaner and apart from cancelling a lot, she does a good job when she is here and I’d feel really guilty letting her go but I cannot see these summers of ours getting any better in terms of these ‘heatwaves’ where we live, it’s been like this for the last 4 summers now. I
doibt I’ll see her much more this summer if she’s going to stick to her 25 degree rule?

OP posts:
Chimen · 10/07/2026 10:02

I don’t get why people are comparing to schools or hospitals. If she wanted to work in a hospital or school she would have.
Also she could refuse to work if it’s too hot and the hospital would have to manage it, change hours etc.
But she is self employed, she can pick and choose on when she wants to work.

GreenFootstool · 10/07/2026 10:02

AtIusvue · 10/07/2026 09:41

I think you are blind to the realities that others face with the difficulties of keeping their homes cool. Well done to you though, keeping your home comfortable and telling everybody about it.

No, I made massive changes to my home after ending up in hospital through overheating but hooray for missing the point as usual.

People who are currently cooking in their homes almost always - but not always - have options to improve the situation whether it's throwing a sheet over the outside of your windows, sticking tinfoil to the glass or paying more money for more expensive options to shade a home and garden.

Or be like my immediate neighbours - leave all the windows open all day with curtains open then whine that the house is hotter than the outdoors. But they won't change a thing.

Chimen · 10/07/2026 09:59

If she had been good then what she’s asking is not unreasonable.
And good cleaners are hard to find.

SandyHappy · 10/07/2026 09:57

ZanyPoet · 10/07/2026 09:44

who said she wasn't allowed to choose? Yes, she is choosing to REFUSE to work. Good for her if she has the luxury to do so.

Perfectly valid choice, but it doesn't change that it's not such a hardship to work as a cleaner when it's hot, and it's a good thing cleaners employed in, again, schools, hospitals keep going.

You said she is refusing to work.. 'imagine if everyone did that'.

But she isn't 'refusing to work', she isn't an employee like the people you keep referring to, she has a contract with her client with set terms and conditions, and she is changing the terms of that contract as is her right.. she could just as easily say she will no longer work on Tuesdays, that isn't 'refusing to work'.

Her client is free to look for someone else if the terms no longer suit her.

If she worked in a hospital or school as an employee she would have no choice but to continue working so your point is .. pointless.

ReyRey12 · 10/07/2026 09:57

Peachsandcream · 10/07/2026 08:33

It’s a professional relationship, if you are not happy with her availability, then perfectly reasonable to want to find another cleaner

Edited

This. You need a service, she is not providing so totally fair to go for someone else who will. She knows the risks when she made the rule.

MrSchubertWhiskers · 10/07/2026 09:56

Neither of you are bringing unreasonable, there could be any number of reasons why she's less able to regulate her temperature and that's fair enough. So are your needs however so if that means you need to find another cleaner, then that's just the way it goes.

Viviennemary · 10/07/2026 09:56

She is absolutely nuts. Get a new cleaner.

marblechair · 10/07/2026 09:53

SandyHappy · 10/07/2026 09:32

Imagine if everybody refused to work, refuse to clean schools, hospitals and places that REALLY should have air con or more protection against the heat.

She isn't refusing to work, she is choosing not to and letting her clients know, as a self employed person who can make those choices for herself, she knows the choices may mean that she loses clients, but she obviously isn't concerned about that.

My attitude around work changed a lot around lockdown.. because it had been ingrained in me that my health and happiness revolved around working my fingers to the bone, for someone who ultimately doesn't give a toss about me as an employee. I do feel for the people stuck in that life with employers who couldn't care less, but I've made my choice now to be self employed. It doesn't make me lesser of a person to pick and choose what I'm prepared to do and what conditions I'm prepared to work in, I still work really hard for my clients, but on my terms.

OP by all means look for a new cleaner, if the arrangement isn't working for you, it's not working, but I can't fault her one bit.

To be fair, I wouldn't say employees generally give much of a toss about their employers either. Most employment relationships are transactional, employees work for pay, and employers pay for the work. Some workplaces build genuine loyalty and mutual respect which is great and we should strive for that, but I don't think it's fair to assume either side universally cares deeply about the other because thats not really realistic or appropriate for a work environment.

I also don't think most people work their fingers to the bone because they believe it'll bring them happiness. The reality is that most of us work because we need to earn a living, pay the bills, support our families, and build a future.
If self-employment works for you thats great as it can offer more freedom and control over the work you take on. But it comes with downsides too. You have to account for sickness, annual leave, pensions, periods without work, and the lack of an employer's safety net.

Like most things in life, every choice has its benefits and its trade-offs. Neither employment nor self-employment is inherently better, it depends on what suits the individual.

kalokagathos · 10/07/2026 09:46

Go with someone else

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 10/07/2026 09:45

I expect she doesn't get paid if she doesn't come in.

So just get in an agency cleaner, it may not be today but you may find someone for Monday.

ZanyPoet · 10/07/2026 09:44

SandyHappy · 10/07/2026 09:32

Imagine if everybody refused to work, refuse to clean schools, hospitals and places that REALLY should have air con or more protection against the heat.

She isn't refusing to work, she is choosing not to and letting her clients know, as a self employed person who can make those choices for herself, she knows the choices may mean that she loses clients, but she obviously isn't concerned about that.

My attitude around work changed a lot around lockdown.. because it had been ingrained in me that my health and happiness revolved around working my fingers to the bone, for someone who ultimately doesn't give a toss about me as an employee. I do feel for the people stuck in that life with employers who couldn't care less, but I've made my choice now to be self employed. It doesn't make me lesser of a person to pick and choose what I'm prepared to do and what conditions I'm prepared to work in, I still work really hard for my clients, but on my terms.

OP by all means look for a new cleaner, if the arrangement isn't working for you, it's not working, but I can't fault her one bit.

who said she wasn't allowed to choose? Yes, she is choosing to REFUSE to work. Good for her if she has the luxury to do so.

Perfectly valid choice, but it doesn't change that it's not such a hardship to work as a cleaner when it's hot, and it's a good thing cleaners employed in, again, schools, hospitals keep going.

Didimum · 10/07/2026 09:43

Yes, I would get a new cleaner if mine did this. I don't have time for things like that. She's NBU to operate her business how she wants to, but it wouldn't work for me.

SurferRona · 10/07/2026 09:41

Yeah, that’s not on. Isn’t she instead asking to work early and and later on instead? Your house sounds quite well set up too for this weather and better than some of her other clients I’m sure! She’ll lose clients and have less income as a result of this, but her call 🤷‍♀️

It’s a business, your choice and you aren’t a cow- she isn’t providing the service you need- especially as you are recovering from an op. Sack her and get a new cleaner.

AtIusvue · 10/07/2026 09:41

GreenFootstool · 10/07/2026 09:36

I'm well aware - I live in Cornwall, in a South facing, 1970s mid terrace, surrounded by hot tarmac. I have blinds, curtains, shade sails, ceiling fans and a militant approach to opening and closing doors and windows. It's working but it's been a long slog to get to this point.

Anyway, OPs cleaner obviously makes enough income not to work on a nice day, so that's her choice. OP also has a choice to use someone less flaky.

I think you are blind to the realities that others face with the difficulties of keeping their homes cool. Well done to you though, keeping your home comfortable and telling everybody about it.

OriginalSkang · 10/07/2026 09:40

I would look for another cleaner

IsItSnowing · 10/07/2026 09:38

She's self employed and she can make this choice. It's the beauty of being self employed if you can afford it.
I'm a bit on the fence about whether it's very professional or not but if getting a good cleaner is as hard in your area as it is here, then I'd suck it up and go with it.

thisandthats · 10/07/2026 09:38

I’m with others in that probably time to move on.

i have a lovely lady who has some health issues and we have an open dialogue - a couple of the days she hasn’t felt able to do my place and that’s fine. Other days she has. Weirdly she did the hottest days but some of the cooler ones she just couldn’t manage. But a blanket rule of over 25 is just arbitrary - sometimes there’s a breeze, sometimes not. That makes me feel she’s just being unreasonable and yes, in june - august temps over 25 most days are normal

RetiredFromExplaining · 10/07/2026 09:37

Her rules are fine, and you sacking her as a result is also fine.

As you are unable to fulfill your duties, I will be terminating your contract and employing someone else. Thank you for your service.

You may find she changes her mind. If not, get a new cleaner.

GreenFootstool · 10/07/2026 09:36

AtIusvue · 10/07/2026 09:32

Yes, but not all homes are made the same. I was just in Windermere. The temp outside was 25 but the room that we were in, was 28 and that’s with fans etc.

It depends on so much. If it’s an old stone home or a new build with lots of insulation. If it’s a detached house of a flat. If there’s a loft conversion, if the main windows of the home are facing N/E/S/W. How many windows and the size of them.
There's too many variables to say that just by closing the curtains and putting on a fan means that you can keep the temp comfortable. Many people do this and it’s still too hot.

I'm well aware - I live in Cornwall, in a South facing, 1970s mid terrace, surrounded by hot tarmac. I have blinds, curtains, shade sails, ceiling fans and a militant approach to opening and closing doors and windows. It's working but it's been a long slog to get to this point.

Anyway, OPs cleaner obviously makes enough income not to work on a nice day, so that's her choice. OP also has a choice to use someone less flaky.

SandyHappy · 10/07/2026 09:32

ZanyPoet · 10/07/2026 09:13

She's a cleaner, a perfectly respectable job, but she's not building pyramids in the middle of the day either😂

It's just cleaning, indoors, it's not that taxing,

Imagine if everybody refused to work, refuse to clean schools, hospitals and places that REALLY should have air con or more protection against the heat.

Imagine if everybody refused to work, refuse to clean schools, hospitals and places that REALLY should have air con or more protection against the heat.

She isn't refusing to work, she is choosing not to and letting her clients know, as a self employed person who can make those choices for herself, she knows the choices may mean that she loses clients, but she obviously isn't concerned about that.

My attitude around work changed a lot around lockdown.. because it had been ingrained in me that my health and happiness revolved around working my fingers to the bone, for someone who ultimately doesn't give a toss about me as an employee. I do feel for the people stuck in that life with employers who couldn't care less, but I've made my choice now to be self employed. It doesn't make me lesser of a person to pick and choose what I'm prepared to do and what conditions I'm prepared to work in, I still work really hard for my clients, but on my terms.

OP by all means look for a new cleaner, if the arrangement isn't working for you, it's not working, but I can't fault her one bit.

AtIusvue · 10/07/2026 09:32

GreenFootstool · 10/07/2026 09:26

It's been 36c outside here at times, and my house is around 22c all day. I am militant about keeping it cool with shade and closed windows as I don't have aircon.

Yes, but not all homes are made the same. I was just in Windermere. The temp outside was 25 but the room that we were in, was 28 and that’s with fans etc.

It depends on so much. If it’s an old stone home or a new build with lots of insulation. If it’s a detached house of a flat. If there’s a loft conversion, if the main windows of the home are facing N/E/S/W. How many windows and the size of them.
There's too many variables to say that just by closing the curtains and putting on a fan means that you can keep the temp comfortable. Many people do this and it’s still too hot.

Mix56 · 10/07/2026 09:31

Sorry, this is nonsense, I know people in the UK are unused to the heat, but Its not 25 degrees inside your house with fans & portable A/C.
How do people survive in Southern Europe. ? Its currently 27 degrees inside my house as I type, with A/C on ! Its hot, but I would happily do the cleaning.
Just find another cleaner, she’s not reliable.

godmum56 · 10/07/2026 09:30

CateyeKate · 10/07/2026 09:29

Believe me, it really is quite taxing, I’m exhausted at the end of the day normally let alone in a continuous heatwave.

Try cleaning 4+ houses a day in sweltering conditions, having to peel off your bra at the end of the day because you’ve sweated half your body weight away and then come back and tell me it isn’t hard going at times. It’s not fluffy work, tinkering about with a feather duster and a squirt of polish. As we all know, most U.K. houses are built to keep heat in and few people have decent fans let alone air conditioning.

you have NOT sweated half your body weight away

marblechair · 10/07/2026 09:30

CateyeKate · 10/07/2026 09:29

Believe me, it really is quite taxing, I’m exhausted at the end of the day normally let alone in a continuous heatwave.

Try cleaning 4+ houses a day in sweltering conditions, having to peel off your bra at the end of the day because you’ve sweated half your body weight away and then come back and tell me it isn’t hard going at times. It’s not fluffy work, tinkering about with a feather duster and a squirt of polish. As we all know, most U.K. houses are built to keep heat in and few people have decent fans let alone air conditioning.

Which is fine- noone is saying she must work.

But then dont blast the OP for finding someone else.

If this woman can afford to take the whole summer off work then good for her- I'm actually jealous and wish I could do the same

Brokene · 10/07/2026 09:30

AnonyMumAuDHD · 10/07/2026 09:21

Fuck me, that is harsh - and so utterly classist and dismissive. And probably misogynistic.

Cleaning is a physical job. It’s hard work - otherwise OP would be able to do it, current health concerns notwithstanding, wouldn’t she? So yes, it IS taxing if you are doing 6-8 hours of it moving from one client to another and then, likely, going home to deal with kids.

It is also not salaried. No holiday or sick pay, no rights and protections, no coffee breaks or H&S assessments/protections - such as you get when in salaried employment at, say, a hospital where you work in a team.

Go check your privilege because your response is, frankly, quite despicable.

I’m self employed (not a cleaner) and I’m frequently told on here I was aware that being self employed meant no holiday or sick pay etc when I chose the job so I can’t complain about that as you can always choose something else. Which is true really. If you want the employee benefits including being part of a team then everyone is free to get a job that includes those. You can’t exactly call people privileged because they chose employment over self employment. It is a choice.