Rupert Lowe

Yep.

Well, there are people on this thread demonstrating that the issue is far from resolved, acknowledged, or settled.

There's no excuse for referring to Dunblane as a murder.
None.
He's misleading listeners at best. At worst he is betraying families for right wing attention.

He has done so much that is good and valuable in exposing the extent and organisation of the Pakistani rape gangs (who knew before that they operated in 149 areas of the country with as many as 250,000 victims?) and providing a platform for the victims to be heard, then he talks twaddle like this.

I thought the rape gangs were awful but confined to the few locations that made the news - Rochdale, Rotherham, the awful case in the Oxfordshire Premier Inn. I think most people thought that but it is not so.

The OP didn't mention his politics, she mentioned his comments.

Any chance you could actually read the opening post?

He is a disgusting vile man. He not only referred to Dunblane as one murder, he referred to himself as ‘pure blood’ whatever the duck that means and a million other racist things. There are no words strong enough to describe that vile individual.

Can we just be clear that the 250K figure came from an estimate, that Rupert Lowe made by taking the number of women and girls in the grooming gang enquiries, and multiplying it by the number of people in the UK. It has no evidential base and has already been debunked. The man is as bad at statistics as he is at morality.

None of that takes away from the appalling sexual, domestic and other violence that women and girls face on a daily basis from men of all ethnicities, backgrounds, wealths etc.

Just because a man wants to use violence against women and girls to distract you from the structural issues of the patriarchy and instead support oppression, doesn't mean you have to.

It wasn't one murder. He was asked to clarify that it was one and he doubled down.
He deliberately mislead listeners.

If you are more offended by being called far right than you are about misrepresenting what happened at Dunblane that's on you.

💯💯💯. Thank you 👍🏽. As soon as i see the "far-right" name calling, I'm off.

Wow. Do you think this "silp of the tongue" was trivial?

That would be the socialist worker that covered up rape within its own party, subjecting victims to an internal kangaroo court because 'the party had "no faith in the bourgeois court system to deliver justice"'?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/09/socialist-workers-party-rape-kangaroo-court

I loathe Lowe's politics and his comments about Dunblane are appalling.

I wish the rape gangs report had been produced by someone far more centrist. I wish the left had not created such a political vacuum around this issue by silencing and smearing as bigots anyone who spoke up for years and years and years. I wish they had not had to be dragged kicking and screaming into starting the process of their own inquiry and I wish that inquiry was not such a shitshow that victim survivors are abandoning the process in droves.

But here we are.

And socialist worker are a bunch of raging misogynist hypocrits.

The Socialist Worker is in no position to pronounce on rape, given its appalling history of covering the subject up.

But Lowe's comment on Dunblane is utterly appalling. This will not play well with the UK public.

The whole hearted rejection of hand guns in private hands as a reaction to the murder of 16 innocents is one of things that makes me proud of these islands.

It's more American focused. But, as with abortion which was much less of a political issue in the UK just a few years ago, it still has the potential to be made a talking point this side of the pond.
Gun rights and being pro-life are (kind of ironically) a big part of American Right wing identities. Even if it weren't for the support of people like Thiell etc, the fact everything is very online now means there's more melding of political issues than before. So American talking points get carried over here even when they aren't relevant (eg positive discrimination was never legal under UK law but you wouldn't know that to listen to some).

Just unbelievably stupid.

I wonder if the kind of people he otherwise has credibility with agree on this - I’ve never got a sense there’s much public enthusiasm to allow unrestricted access to hand guns.

Whilst I appreciate the effort that went into that report, the girls abused and raped and tortured are from the ‘types’ of families which RL and his party detest. Low income, on benefits, poor education, seen as drains on the state in his works of individual economics.
I watched the full interview with Joe Rogan because I did not want to judge from a comment. I wanted the context.
RL is an intelligent and experienced business man. He knew the subjects he would be bringing and at his age was well aware of Dublane as any one of his age would be.
What he said was very clear - one murder. When Joe repeated the remark, RL did not correct him.
But one murder is not the same as a class full of children and a teacher being gunned down, and he knows it.
The one murder narrative suited his argument over gun laws more and of course over in the States it’s not as well known.
Nobody says Sandyhook was just one murder.
Nobody would say the Southport attack was just one murder.
And to double down on this one murder comment is ridiculous. If he had any decency he would apologise profusely.
This era of politics disturbs me and I’m not just talking about RL, and Farage’s bung.
There is no stability. Everything is designed to deliver instability.
I am glad I watched the podcast as I don’t like to judge on no evidence. To be fair, he was engaging and speaks with confidence, but some of his narrative deeply offends me.
The one thing I did agree with him on was the decision to keep the pound.
I am physically disabled and became so through no fault of my own. I had to give up my professional career 25 years ago.
Before anyone comes for me, I work in a different area now. I have a good education to post graduate level.
I write to every incoming DWP boss and every party leader about disability and the benefits system. My background is in economics so I’m no fool. I know the system is out of control.
In all of the years I’ve been writing to them all the only person who has contacted me was Esther McVey. She was actually very interested, and we spoke on several occasions.
Someone from Reform got back to me with an AI reply.
Nobody else bothers. Restore have not replied after several months.
I will be interested to see if they do.
And nobody from Labour ever has. I am left of centre, with no real current political home because there isn’t a party or a politician who I feel is going to deliver what is needed.
Again, I find entirely neo-classical economics dangerous. Well, it works for the wealthy.
I do believe we can create a thriving economy where wealth creation is key. However, as human beings we can still look after the most vulnerable. You can actually have both, but it depends on transparency.
And politics is as thick as mud now with corruption. There has always been some level of it, but now it’s beyond the pale.

He reminds me of the aristocrats in the UK who supported Hitler during the Second World War.

He is definitely fascist adjacent if not full fascist. It definitely wasn't a 'slip of the tongue' as one poster has claimed as Joe Rogan asked him to clarify the 'one murder' comment and he doubled down.

Lots of points which I personally agree with :

• Illegal immigration
• Banning Sharia law and all alien, backwards cultural practices.
• Much harsher punishments for murderers, child rapists
• horrible civil red tape culture
• sorting out high streets out

To name a few. As I said, I don't agree with everything he says, but he speaks a lot of sense. His party is called Restore for a reason. If only he could Restore some of how the UK used to be I would be a very happy woman.

I'm more concerned with UK issues than American issues because I can vote in the UK etc, but it is true that massive CSE of vulnerable teenagers has and is ongoing in America. And the victims are viewed with the same dismissiveness as UK victims were. It's just not as of much interest to the American right because there isn't so much a Muslim male/white victim pattern so there's less political capital. But look at the way black children in particular are adultified/talked about as hoodrats etc. Or the glorification of pimp culture that took over a lot of American TV and commercialised (the stuff that was pushed the most heavily) rap music in the 2000s. if JR or his fans wanted to effect real change they could try to change the way those victims are viewed. But they aren't interested in that- just misery porn from other countries. The acceptance of the boyfriend to pimp route, and the fact that some girls just are sex trafficked and that's the way it goes, is if anything higher now in America than it was in the UK. The same sort of language used by police officers/social workers in the North-West that is now viewed with justified anger is still kinda mainstream. It's often (eg) black men grooming black girls into CSE through drugs etc. So maybe theres less political capital there.for politicians than the UK grooming scandal.which is why they care less. Or maybe noone knows what to do about it.

I don't know what to do about what happens in America, so I'm more focused on my own country because whataboutery doesn't help. But it is infuriating that you will have people like Rogan who will be fangirling over men who have slept with 14 year olds in one episode, and then shaking their heads in horror at the thought anyone could turn a bling eye to men sleeping with 14 year olds in another. It seems like a really good way to ensure no problems get fixed

It's a trap.
A very large number of women and girls were raped over a long period of time. If someone writes a massive number, and you dispute that then they get to come back and say "so you think X number (smaller but still horribly high) is OK then because it was only X..."

The fact is that it is shameful to the UK that this continued for so long and wasn't a media priority. It only really hit the mainstream media in 2011 and after that we started having inquiries and trials and dramas on the BBC. All of this should have happened a lot sooner..of course, it took Lowe another decade to become concerned about the issue and he only started his "awareness raising" campaign after falling out with Farage and launching his own party... But just as the alternative history of Dunblane went unchallenged on JRE because you can't expect Americans to know much about UK events, so many of the American audience will believe that Lowe was the first person to talk about the issue. In 2024....

I think that we should be doing more to support the survivors and ensure that CSE is always responded to as the hideous crime it is. I'm glad the government commissioned a new inquiry. I'm not sure what Lowes awareness raising is for since awareness isn't the issue (it would have been 15 years ago).

Well he’s out of touch with majority opinions.

‘A clear majority of the public (56%) in fact believe there should be greater restrictions on gun ownership, including 28% who would favour a complete ban on civilians owning firearms. A further 35% think that current restrictions are about right, leaving only a tiny proportion (4%) who believe existing rules are too tight and should be relaxed.’

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54303-what-do-britons-think-of-gun-restrictions-in-2026

He's a despicable piece of shit. Anyone who excuses or endorses his comment is despicable as well. Still, I suppose some people will defend him as long as he promises to deport enough brown people.

Evidence for your figure of 250,000 ?

What valid points?

Can you give us some examples?