Rupert Lowe

RL is a self serving scumbag who is manipulating people he’d happily see fucking starve to death into believing he is for them. Some of his views are terrifying. Make no mistake he cares about the victims of the grooming gangs. He cares that he can cause division and hatred. I’m happy to be corrected but has he come out and condemned the rise in DV during the World Cup?
The child victims of grooming gangs are from some of the lowest socioeconomic backgrounds in the UK.
Look at the murder of Charlene Downes, whilst it can’t be proven she was killed by the men grooming her, her home life was so riddled with abuse it’s possible that her killer may have been living in her home. The children, the little girls who have been groomed are mostly the girls who have had social services intervention for years, many were looked after children living in residential homes. What has happened to these children has been one of the word systemic failures in our society for decades. Those girls needed education, safety and people to consider them, in their cycles of generational poverty and abuse because it was always a fucking abhorrent and preventable tragedy. These little girls aren’t cared about, they’re now just a fucking pawn in political point scoring.

No I don't.

He was asked twice and he could have clarified it easily.
it was a deliberate obfuscation to portray the UK in a certain light.

Do you think we should loosen restrictions on handguns?

Well obviously it wasn't just one murder, it was one act of mass murder, which is probably what he meant, but he worded it terribly.

I think, if people don't want to get legally married (ie register their marriage with the registry office) but want a non-legally binding religious ceremony and then later, when divorcing, want to choose to follow the religous rules of the same religion they "married" under when dividing assets etc then they should be allowed to do that. It doesn't matter if the religious ceremony followed the rules of the flying spaghetti monster, Judaism or Islam.
I don't think that religious rules should supercede the law of the land. Eg if two people are legally married their divorce etc should be in accordance with UK divorce law. Likewise, I shouldn't be allowed to drink and drive or murder because my religions laws allow it. I can choose not to drink at all if my religion says I shouldn't because under UK law drinking is not mandatory.

Fortunately, the current situation in the UK more or less fits this. If you are legally married you have to follow UK laws on marriage. If you aren't legally married, and wish to dissolve a religious marriage then only the rules of that religion apply (if both parties want them to). This might be Jewish religious law, or Sharia law, or rules I made up yesterday. In the sense that "Sharia law" exists in the UK it is subordinate to UK law just as all other religious laws are. Jewish religious law bans mixing dairy and meat and there are inspectors hired to check that procedures are followed in establishments labelling themselves as Kosher. Those establishments still need to follow UK food safety and employment rules. Likewise Muslim establishments. Neither Muslims, or Jewish people or Jedis have the righr to make non Muslim, non Jewish or non Jedi establishments or individuals follow their religious laws.

Its used for religious guidance in civil and marriage cases. Where do you get the stoning and whipping in the UK BS from?

Provide me with cold, hard evidence from a reputable source and then I'll change my mind.

You're the one who's the problem peddling lies and misinformation.

@AgnesX " if people want to use it then it's up to them". So, you think stoning and whipping is acceptable forms of punishment for adultery in a British, Western, Christian country?!

You are very much part of the problem.

Partly agree. I still think awareness is not yet fully achieved on the issue of rape gangs. The issue has been hijacked for political capital, sure, but that's only been possible because of sustained and repeated failures to adequately acknowledge the issues.

I debated whether or not to reply to this, because I don't want people saying that I clearly think even one rape or murder is okay when I don't, but I think facts are important. Official data does not support the figure of 250,000 girls raped by grooming gangs - Rupert Lowe's report used an unverified mathematical extrapolation to calculate the potential scale of historic abuse.
Independent agencies state that an accurate national count of victims is impossible due to inconsistent data across the justice system and local authorities. (It's probably also worth pointing out that a 2023 review by His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services found that most suspects and offenders in recorded cases were white, contrary to claims that offenders belong to a single ethnic group.)

Yes because there were never any rape gangs before the Sharia Law courts “took ova are cuntry” 🙄

Yes, completely. Rule 1 of shariah law (in a religion that forbids premarital sex) is that men must groom and rape white women. 🙄

Bye

Yes. His son recently married a Muslim actually (or someone who has a Muslim family) and they served halal meat at the wedding.

Oh the irony.

(Before anyone comes at me, I mean it’s hilarious that someone who is so anti Islam and anti immigration now has Muslim in-laws!).

There are some things that are simply unforgivable and this is one of them. I actually don't have the words.

This is an example of an inquiry that had a positive impact
https://www.inquestsandinquiries.com/projects/dunblane
It identified the problem, made recommendations, and then those recommendations were instituted in law. And there were no equivalent mass shootings since. And decades later Lowe complained that his father had lost his handgun privileges as a result.

The problem with populist leaders is they have no interest in bringing about real change. Inquiries can be useful first steps, or they can be a way for politicians to kick a can down the road. They aren't fixing the problem in themselves. But I haven't seen any enthusiasm for the likes of Lowe and Farage to put the recommendations of enquiries into law. In fact there's a contempt for the idea parliament can change anything or any recommendations that don't fit their narrative. And sometimes actual attempts to derail bills putting recommendations into law as a way to play party politics.

It was done with newspaper sales,PO box numbers,stickers,meetings in backrooms in pubs etc..limited audience

Okay, Rupert

I don't get how you can equate rape gangs and Sharia law. Talk about a leap of imagination. If people want to use it that's up to them but British law rules.

Twenty years ago things did feel different because there was no or very little internet for the racist and bigoted to peddle their poison.

It's not settled at all.
But "awareness" isn't the issue. In fact the fact it isn't resolved is proof that "awareness" alone, while an important first step is not enough to prevent ongoing abuse. Which is why instituting the recommendations of the Gray report was important, as is (IMO) having another proper government inquiry like the one that is ongoing. And then following the recommendations of that inquiry when it concludes. Because endless inquiries and reports themselves don't do anything. But people using it for political capital can't be defended by "at least they're raising awareness" 15 years after the story broke in a massive scale.

@AgnesX even 10-20 years ago, things felt remarkable different to how they did now. Let's not deny they don't..

You are incredibly naive if you don't think Sharia exists in the UK. Doesn't matter whether it's legal or not. It's here. I think this is how the rapes gang started....denial at its finest.

When was that then 1955? And Sharia law isn't legal in the UK either.

Just btw if you've got any ideas for sorting out the high street why don't you pass them on. Local government would be delighted to hear them I'm sure.

Not to be awkward OP but what made you want to give him one moment of publicity.
You do realise this is precisely what he would want ?
Do not give it oxygen.

One mass school shooting was one too many .
Not another in the UK since
USA kids with Kevlar backpacks as protection at school
School shootings regular as clockwork.

Lowe is despicable cunt he knew what he was saying.

Well, also with the left to be fair. Tribalism affects all political parties/inclinations

Why do you guys and gals on the right find it simply impossible to condemn something so blatantly hideous?

Aways what about, what about, what about with you lot.