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To boycott Turkey and Egypt after homophobic action against cruise ship?

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Holdonforsummer · 09/07/2026 16:48

Now Egypt has turned away a cruise ship full of LGBT passengers, following in the footsteps of Turkey who had already barred them from docking. Egyptian authorities haven’t stated an official reason but Turkey clearly stated it was because the passengers on the ship didn’t confirm to their society’s ‘moral’ standards. I find this disgusting and outrageous that any country thinks they can start to pick and choose which categories of tourists they will and won’t accept. I for one will now boycott Turkey and Egypt and will not book holidays there in the future. I refuse to support homophobic regimes and feel that the only thing that might change their mind is if many other UK citizens do the same.

www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/09/lgbtq-cruise-ship-refused-entry-egypt-turkey?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 09/07/2026 23:02

nunamenuyear · 09/07/2026 17:41

Their country. Their rules.

@nunamenuyear , well obviously but that’s not the question posed by the OP.
I suppose at least these nations are honest about the attitude of Islam to gay people. Queers for Palestine should take note.

OakleyAnnie · 09/07/2026 23:01

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Dollymylove · 09/07/2026 22:59

They would be welcomed in Israel

nomas · 09/07/2026 22:59

OakleyAnnie · 09/07/2026 22:56

You really need to read the explanations so you can understand the difference

You’ve explained jackshit, lady.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/07/2026 22:57

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:52

Ofc they're entitled to ban, it doesn't make it right. They should be criticised.

Was apartheid, or Saudi Arabia banning women from voting, to name 2, also 'their country, their rules'?

Are you just cutting and pasting the same reply over and over?

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:56

OakleyAnnie · 09/07/2026 22:51

Unclear whether she was being mean or repeating something she’d heard. The mother of the boy was convinced it was the former. The girl was given a much harder time (here) than countries that execute gays. Go figure

I see, thanks. Sounds very odd. I will look at the thread.

OakleyAnnie · 09/07/2026 22:56

nomas · 09/07/2026 22:46

So Israel not allowing gay marriages to be performed = fine

Other ME countries not allowing it = not fine.

Bizarre logic.

You really need to read the explanations so you can understand the difference

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:56

DeflatedHeliumBallonz · 09/07/2026 18:13

Good for them.

And I am a bisexual woman.

The LGBT lifestyle does not align with those countries core beliefs and religion. They have every right to not allow people into their country that they feel do not align with Turkish/Egyptian morals and beliefs which are openly against homosexuality.

Therefore, I hope we, as a country, grow a backbone and do the same!! I hope we stop allowing people into England that don't share our countrys morals and beliefs on such things as welcoming homosexuality, opposing the cruelty of halal meat and being horrified at child marriage.

There are plenty of safe and welcoming places for LGB people to visit. Why would they want to go to a place that openly condems them?

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Good for them??

Ofc they're entitled to ban, it doesn't make it right. They should be criticised.

It's hardly 'good' that women like you in Egypt face this kind of treatment due to those views.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/egypt-lgbt-abuse/2020/10/01/424badbc-03c7-11eb-b92e-029676f9ebec_story.html&ved=2ahUKEwifv6fcysaVAxWYUEEAHctuM3QQFnoECE0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Gs5ZhoAw9xqo3CwoEwnHN

I agree with you re immigration except if you ban halal meat are you also going to ban kosher meat? The Jewish community are under enough attack as it is, surely?

https://www.google.com/url?opi=89978449&rct=j&sa=t&source=web&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fworld%2Fmiddle_east%2Fegypt-lgbt-abuse%2F2020%2F10%2F01%2F424badbc-03c7-11eb-b92e-029676f9ebec_story.html&usg=AOvVaw2Gs5ZhoAw9xqo3CwoEwnHN&ved=2ahUKEwifv6fcysaVAxWYUEEAHctuM3QQFnoECE0QAQ

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:52

Charys · 09/07/2026 18:48

Do you think you can shame them into some Inclusivity Pretence?

Ofc they're entitled to ban, it doesn't make it right. They should be criticised.

Was apartheid, or Saudi Arabia banning women from voting, to name 2, also 'their country, their rules'?

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:52

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/07/2026 22:50

Of course it isn't.

Going on a mostly male gay cruise is a lifestyle choice. As is going on a couples only or OAPs only holiday, or adults only. I'd assume thousands of LGBT people travel to countries with varying laws all the time. I do as a woman!

I don't do PDAs with my DH in many countries. That's lifestyle, while our sexuality isn't.

Agree re the cruise.

I suspect people suspected of being gay might also have been detained without a cruise, but probably a singles cruise for straight people would have also been barred.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/07/2026 22:51

Ponoka7 · 09/07/2026 22:47

It's a tough one. Gay people can't live how they want, but you specifically mention gay men. All women in a lot of countries can't live how they would want, but we aren't giving asylum to women and girls to stop them being forcefully married, raped and honour etc killed. A gay man not having sex is living a much better life than any of the child brides.
Some religions are homophobic, sexist, extremist and will kill to uphold their beliefs. Why is that a surprise?

We absolutely should. And I've been on FWR saying as much about Afghanistan.

OakleyAnnie · 09/07/2026 22:51

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:36

Exactly!

Re the girl, why was she calling him gay? In an insulting way? If an 8yo is homophobic it's not their fault but probably their environment, calling them a bitch is awful.

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Unclear whether she was being mean or repeating something she’d heard. The mother of the boy was convinced it was the former. The girl was given a much harder time (here) than countries that execute gays. Go figure

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:50

CagedBirdInACage · 09/07/2026 22:49

I'm surprised that you think it's OK that gay people can't get married in Israel if you are so hot on spotting prejudice?

Crazy how pressed some posters get at facts. Why can people point out facts about other countries but if you do it about Israel you must be prejudiced?

Most people in Israel are ok with gay people being out etc. The main issue is the religious only marriage system which causes other issues too.

nomas · 09/07/2026 22:50

CagedBirdInACage · 09/07/2026 22:45

It was Gaza that was brought into the conversation first wasn't it? Do you know why that was too? I thought it was odd considering there is hardly cruises to Gaza, gay or otherwise.

Exactly. No one even mentioned Israel until the weird attempt to justify hatred to Palestinians.

Inmyuggs · 09/07/2026 22:50

Telemicus · 09/07/2026 17:54

You say: " I find this disgusting and outrageous that any country thinks they can start to pick and choose which categories of tourists they will and won’t accept"

You do realise that every country, including the UK, will refuse entry to certain categories of tourists right?

Yeah surely.
I wonder what the sti and hiv rates are in turkey.

AllaFieraDellEst · 09/07/2026 22:50

It might also surprise you to know, OP, that according to the UN's own statistics (not that I'm a fan of the UN), around 85% of women and girls in Egypt have undergone female genital mutilation (FGM). But no one ever mentions it, for some reason.

Further, the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) report on South-East Turkey estimated that between 355,000 and 500,000 people, mainly of Kurdish origin, were internally displaced during security operations in 2015–2016. The report also raised concerns about killings, destruction of housing, restrictions on movement, and lack of humanitarian access. Again, no one's cares.

Both countries have really fucking dodgy human rights records. And yet, if there are obnoxious, loud, angry, belligerent marches clogging up central London every other weekend over either of them, I must have missed them. If only I could put my finger on what this selective outrage is all about... but it just escapes me. 🤔

Never mind, I hear Pride in Tel Aviv is pretty damn good, so I'd tell the attendees of the cruise to give that a try instead.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/07/2026 22:50

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:45

Being gay isn't a 'lifestyle' anymore than being straight is, but I agree with your overall point.

Of course it isn't.

Going on a mostly male gay cruise is a lifestyle choice. As is going on a couples only or OAPs only holiday, or adults only. I'd assume thousands of LGBT people travel to countries with varying laws all the time. I do as a woman!

I don't do PDAs with my DH in many countries. That's lifestyle, while our sexuality isn't.

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:49

Ponoka7 · 09/07/2026 22:47

It's a tough one. Gay people can't live how they want, but you specifically mention gay men. All women in a lot of countries can't live how they would want, but we aren't giving asylum to women and girls to stop them being forcefully married, raped and honour etc killed. A gay man not having sex is living a much better life than any of the child brides.
Some religions are homophobic, sexist, extremist and will kill to uphold their beliefs. Why is that a surprise?

What about lesbians? If someone suspects someone is lesbian, they might be correctively raped, forced to marry etc They don't need necessarily to have had sex or a relationship for that. Gay men also, or they might be honour killed.

I agree that the situation of women & girls needs much more attention.

CagedBirdInACage · 09/07/2026 22:49

I'm surprised that you think it's OK that gay people can't get married in Israel if you are so hot on spotting prejudice?

Crazy how pressed some posters get at facts. Why can people point out facts about other countries but if you do it about Israel you must be prejudiced?

nomas · 09/07/2026 22:48

ThatCyanCat · 09/07/2026 22:45

Oh hi nomas. We've been expecting you. Actually you're late.

Oh hey. Another thread derailed to shoe horn in Palestine. Well done.

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:47

oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · 09/07/2026 18:57

If I boycotted every country which had different values & mores to me, I'd never go anywhere.
That includes my UK home.

Come on, it's a bit disingenuous to put places like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc in the same category as the UK and most of Europe. The safety and rights of women, religious groups, ethnic minorities, gay people and people generally are wildly different.

Ponoka7 · 09/07/2026 22:47

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/07/2026 22:37

It's nuanced. Hyperbole about grooming gangs is unhelpful.

And I disagreed that misogyny is the correct response to homophobia as well.

OP can boycott. People can be angry and upset. It won't change a single thing. Campaigning to give asylum to (for example) gay men from Uganda actually means something.

It's a tough one. Gay people can't live how they want, but you specifically mention gay men. All women in a lot of countries can't live how they would want, but we aren't giving asylum to women and girls to stop them being forcefully married, raped and honour etc killed. A gay man not having sex is living a much better life than any of the child brides.
Some religions are homophobic, sexist, extremist and will kill to uphold their beliefs. Why is that a surprise?

nomas · 09/07/2026 22:46

OakleyAnnie · 09/07/2026 22:43

It’s not the same at all. You should read some of the more knowledgeable comments. But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of your prejudice

So Israel not allowing gay marriages to be performed = fine

Other ME countries not allowing it = not fine.

Bizarre logic.

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 22:46

SpottyAlpaca · 09/07/2026 18:45

Their country, their laws, their culture, their beliefs, their religion.

Those who wish to visit, or live in, conservative Muslim countries should agree to respect them and to behave accordingly. If homosexuality is deemed by them to be incompatible with their laws, society & culture, so be it.

Exactly the same should also apply in reverse, of course. Conservative Muslims, or any other groups who object to homosexuality on religious or moral grounds should respect the laws & cultures of secular liberal European countries. If their beliefs are incompatible with those laws & cultures, they should go elsewhere.

Neither of the above statements should be controversial.

Edited

Ofc they're entitled to ban, it doesn't make it right. They should be criticised.

Was apartheid, or Saudi Arabia banning women from voting, to name 2, also 'their country, their rules'?

ThatCyanCat · 09/07/2026 22:45

nomas · 09/07/2026 22:44

Tell that to the person bringing in Palestine. No one mentioned Palestine until they did, so why accuse people?

Oh hi nomas. We've been expecting you. Actually you're late.