To take your first week as holiday

And get HR to change the date of change of departments. Make this holiday come out of the other manager's budget!

This is bad then. So they interviewed with you, agreed a start date then afterwards got approval from soon to be ex manager for a holiday on your time?

I'd go and speak to HR about this. I don't think they should be getting paid on their new salary and someone (you or HR or ideally both) needs to speak to them about how this was approached.

I’d probably just have a long look at myself in the mirror and think stop being a bitch, there’s more to life than this- you can rearrange the meetings- don’t make the new employee feel uncomfortable- what a shitty thing to do. Grow up . It’s a job not the world

Yes, given your updates, it's all a bit sneaky. YANBU. They should have come to you, when arranging holidays after being offered the job. Your OP doesn't give the full picture and will affect the poll.

@JTBB33 your update changes everything.

Given they now fall under 'your team' in those leave dates and the leave was requested AFTER they accepted the job, you could 100% refuse the leave if you so wished. Bloody cheeky of them - they did it deliberately knowing that it would put you in an awkward situation in terms of refusing and knowing you probably would have said no if they had asked directly - and it would change my entire view of them as an employee.

Talk about getting off on the wrong foot.

You should’ve mentioned this in your OP! I’ve just had to change my vote! Yes, it should’ve been cleared with you, not their old manager.

I'm shocked that the majority are saying that YABU.

Most of those saying YABU, are assuming this holiday was booked in advance.

The OP didn't make it clear that the leave had been booked and approved after the new job had been offered and the start date had been agreed.

I'm shocked that the majority are saying that YABU. This person agreed a start date with you and then applied to their old manager to approve holiday that is after that start date and therefore after the date that they cease to be managed by that person. Plus, you asked them if they had any holiday booked and presumably they said 'No', because this holiday has only just been approved?

I think it's really bad - particularly of the previous manager who should have referred them to you, not approved it. A massive and inappropriate overstep by previous manager.

Yes you have read it incorrectly. OP agreed a start date after much discussion, and the holiday was booked subsequently (and agreed by the current manager without her knowledge).

The is a skill in managing people, and a skill in being managed. Neither they nor their current manager have it.

Defintely should have checked annual leave with applicant. Standard practise in an interview. It's your oversight. Unless I have read this incorrectly, YABU.

Yes, that's really poor. Both from the new employee and their manager, who should both have realised that it needed to be run past you first.

Have you raised it with them? It would be interesting for you to see if the new employee is apologetic and maybe has some justification for needing the last minute holiday, or whether they don't care.

Let me get this right, in chronological order:

Candidate was offered the job and accepted.

Candidate, you and her current manager agreed a start date.

Candidate then requested holiday for the week of the start date, which is two weeks from now.

Current manger approved it.

Is that right?

It's a shame this wasn't mentioned in your first post, as it definitely changes things. A lot of posters are going to assume the leave was already agreed before the change in jobs.

YANBU to be annoyed.

Have you checked about their plans for leave for the rest of the year btw?

It's perfectly reasonable to take a week off between leaving one role and starting a new one and it's perfectly reasonable to expect a smooth system for approving this when someone is being promoted within an organisation but the previous manager ought to have contacted you for approval when they received the request for Leave. Save your annoyance for that former manager rather than resenting your new team member who probably doesn't realise she did anything inconvenient, but making a thing of it and starting her on the wrong foot is a bad idea. Keep positive. But insist that her holiday pay for that week comes out of her old department's staff budget at her old rate of pay and her new role start date is when she actually starts.

I would let the new hire know that they have inconvenienced you. And they have therefore started off on the wrong foot.
And I would tell HR all about it and demand that the holiday is paid at the old rate of pay. They don't get the "significant pay rise" until they actually start work in your department.

Oh thats not on!

I am moving roles internally and my holiday was already agreed. I go on leave for 3.5 weeks, 4 weeks after I start 🫣 but I absolutely declared it at interview and on accepting the job and would not dream of asking my current manager to approve holiday for after I start with my new team.

The current manager should not have approved it at least without speaking with new manager.

(although I agree with the point that you are the one that approves with leave this side of the transfer).

It would have been polite for them to check with you too, but it's right that their current manager approved it.

I expect the employee thought that a holiday between the jobs is more convenient, better than doing a week and then taking a week off. Plus, they will want to start their new salary sooner, which is understandable too!

Rearranging meetings is a bit of a pain, not the end of the world! Don't start your new relationship on the wrong foot, be gracious.

Why would you have planned the induction week with meetings etc until having the start date confirmed with prior manager and employee? This is something that happens a lot in the civil service due to internal transfers, the gap between posts is a good opportunity for leave. It really isn’t much effort to shift the induction week, and treat this as a lesson learned for yourself to double check the start date.

@JTBB33 Was the holiday request made and approved before or after you had agreed the start date?